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Road Bicycle Helmets Offer Inadequate Protection for Mountain Biking
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Wilderness and Environmental Medicine, 6,385-390 (1995)

ORIGINAL ARTICLE

Do conventional bicycle helmets provide
adequate protection in mountain biking?

TONY K. CHOW, MD,* STEPHEN W. CORBETT, MD
and DAVID J. FARSTAD, MD

Department ofEmergency Medicine, Lorna Linda University Medical
Center, Lorna Linda, CA 92354, USA

We present two cases of acute injury to the face and head sustained
from off-road mountain biking
despite the fact that the riders wore bicycle helmets. We reviewed the
literature related to this topic
and suggest that conventional bicycle helmets may be inappropriate for
off-road use. Specifically,
they lack an apparatus to protect the face in falls that involve this
exposed area. In addition, current
standards for bicycle helmets to protect the head were devised for
road use and many presumptions
are incomplete when applied to off-road use. Recommendations for
application toward off-road use
of current helmet design are made.

Key words: bicycle, helmets, standards, facial injury, head injury

Introduction

Since its introduction in the 1970s, the mountain bike (also known as
all-terrain bicycle or
ATB) has continued to grow in popularity. The sport of mountain biking
originated when
riders took conventional bicycles and rode them down dirt roads. These
bicycles have since
been modified in various ways to facilitate travel over a variety of
terrain. Today, the
industry boasts sales in the millions [1] and numerous organizations
promote both
recreational and competitive usage.

Despite the enormous growth of the sport, little is known about the
risks of injury,
particularly to the head and face. A survey of southern California off-
road bicyclists [2]
revealed 15% of all injured riders had injuries to the head and neck,
ranging from
abrasions and contusions to fractures. This was shown despite the fact
that 88% of these
riders were wearing helmets at the time of their crash. Several recent
stl;ldies [3-6] have
demonstrated the effectiveness of helmets in preventing serious head
injuries in standard
bicycling accidents. However, the very nature of mountain biking
differs significantly from
conventional bicycling. It is possible that the degree of safety
provided by conventional
helmets may be inadequate for off-road use.

Two cases of mishaps from off-road mountain biking illustrative of the
incomplete
protection afforded by conventional bicycle helmets are presented. The
literature on the
effectiveness of bicycle helmets and a discussion of the applicability
of the helmet
industry's current testing standards in all-terrain use is reviewed.

'To whom all correspondence should be addressed.

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Chow, Corbett and Farstad

Cases

Case 1

An 18-year-old male mountain biker was riding downhill at an estimated
speed of 15-20
mph when he hit an obstacle on the dirt trail, causing him to be
pushed forward. He
reportedly went over the handlebars and struck his head and face. The
rider was wearing
an approved standard bicycle helmet at the time and it remained
properly positioned on
the victim's head but was noted to break during the fall. His riding
companions noted him
to be confused but able to ambulate. Paramedics arrived and the victim
was transported
with full cervical spine precautions.

Upon evaluation in the emergency department, the victim was in no
acute distress and
his vital signs were within normal limits. No major injuries were
found in his neck, chest,
abdomen, pelvis, back, or extremities and, neurologically, the patient
was completely
intact. He was noted to have multiple abrasions scattered throughout
his body, but his face
appeared to have absorbed most of the damage from the impact with the
ground. His
upper lip sustained a large, macerated, stellate, full-thickness
laceration. The lower lip was
deeply abraded and there was an avulsion fracture to the upper
incisor. His other teeth
were intact, no facial instability was appreciated, and there was no
malocclusion. Facial
radiographs revealed a nasal fracture.

The patient was stabilized and referred to a plastic surgeon for
repair of his facial
injuries. This consisted of more than 50 sutures and he has
subsequently done well.

Case 2

A 26-year-old male mountain bicyclist sustained an unwitnessed fall.
The area where he
fell was a downhill slope and it was estimated that his speed may have
been as fast as 35
mph based on the speedometer readings of other riders who have
traversed the same path.
When paramedics arrived, the victim was unresponsive and had a
properly fitted helmet
on, which was noted to be "cracked." He appeared to have no obvious
external signs of
trauma but had decorticate posturing and Cheynes-Stokes breathing. He
was intubated
immediately and placed in full cervical spine precautions. The victim
was transported off
the mountain by land ambulance and then transferred to a helicopter
and flown to the
trauma center. He received hyperventilation and, en route, a seizure
was noted and
treated with intravenous diazepam.

In the emergency department, examination revealed a comatose male who
responded
only to painful stimuli with decerebrate posturing. His pupils were 2
mm, equal, and
unreactive. Deep tendon reflexes were symmetric and plantar reflex
yielded down-going
toes. He had palpable hematomas in the right parietal region with no
other deformities
noted and no cerebral spinal fluid otorrhea or rhinorhea was seen. The
remainder of the
physical exam was unremarkable.

Computerized tomography of the head demonstrated multiple
intraparenchymal hemorrhagic
contusions with intraventricular bleeding and a subarachnoid
hemorrhage.

Subsequent hospitalization consisted mainly of supportive care and the
patient's
neurologic status improved little. Electroencephalogram and auditory
brain stem evoked
response study were abnormal and consistent with bilateral cortical
dysfunction. The
patient was eventually discharged from the hospital to a long-term
head injury rehabilitation
program with a guarded prognosis.


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Discussion

Although the precise origin of the mountain bike is arguable, it has
grown to be the bicycle
industry's most popular product [1]. Large-volume production of
mountain bikes began in
the early 1980s and has enjoyed successful growth. Similarly, bicycle
helmet sales have
increased from a few thousand in 1975 to 5.5 million units in 1991
[7]. Despite their
apparent parallel growth in sales, the design of helmets has remained
relatively unchanged
and focus has been on their use in conventional riding on paved
terrain. In contrast,
mountain biking has evolved a great deal from its modest beginnings in
the late 1970s when
cycling enthusiasts took modified "street bikes" and pedaled them off-
road. The development
of stronger frames, special brakes and components, and a wheel
diameter of 26 in.
with "fat" tires has facilitated its use in off-road conditions.
Today, it has enjoyed
unprecedented growth into a sport that will be a full-medal
competition in the 1996
Summer Olympics. The sport of mountain biking has grown to a level
where it resembles
moto-cross in many ways with the development of front and rear
suspension systems. In
addition, bicycle frames have been modified from the traditional
"double triangle"
configuration to those which incorporate devices borrowed from off-
road motorcycles [8].
Despite this, the riding attire and safety equipment continues to
resemble that used in
conventional road riding. Because of the relative youth of the sport,
no study has
investigated the adequacy of conventional helmets in mountain biking.

Each of the two cases described demonstrate important points regarding
the efficacy of
conventional bicycle safety helmets in off-road cycling. The first
item is the amount of
protection provided by these helmets to the rider's face. Lindqvist et
al. [9] analyzed 93
patients with maxillofacial fractures sustained in bicycle accidents
in Helsinki. Two-thirds
of the fractures were diagnosed in the mandible and, of these, the
majority of them were
condylar and subcondylar fractures (67%). The other one-third of
fractures occurred in
the midface. They observed that "most commercially available helmets
do not protect the
whole facial area and especially not the chin." Thompson et al. [10]
prospectively
examined the effects of safety helmets on the risk of facial trauma.
Their results suggest
that presently designed bicycle safety helmets have little to no
effect on the overall risk to
facial injury but may afford some protection to serious upper facial
injuries (lacerations
and fractures ofthe midface, nose, eye/orbit).

Intuitively, these findings are not surprising because bicycle helmets
as they are
presently designed do not extend to the lower face or ears (Fig. 1)
and helmet standards
for protection of this region are lacking. Worrell [11] recorded the
site of impact in 100
consecutive head injuries in cyclists and observed that only 50% of
the sites of impact
would be covered by a helmet. In another study [12], 64 helmeted
cyclists with head
injuries were noted to have the majority of all impacts occur below
the test lines of the
standards. A modified helmet design which would include a face bar or
chin cover (Fig. 2)
such as that found in other sports may reduce the risks of trauma to
the face [13].

The second point relates to whether or not conventional bicycle
helmets provide enough
protection to the head in off-road riding. Dorsch et al. [14]
estimated that helmeted
bicyclists have reduced risk of death from head injury compared to
unhelmeted cyclists.
Wasserman et al. [4] supported this contention and subsequent studies
by Thompson et al.
[3], McDermott et al. [5], and Maimaris et al. [6] showed helmets to
be highly effective in
reducing risk of head injury. Although these investigations are
convincing that helmets are
efficacious, they provide little information on the extent of injury
to those cyclists who


Chow, Corbett and Farstad

Fig. 1. An example of a conventional bicycle helmet. Note the exposed
facial and temporal area.

sustain serious head injury despite wearing a helmet. Williams [12]
evaluated helmets that
sustained impacts from real crashes and found serious head injuries
occurred when the
helmet came off the rider's head, the helmet collapsed due to a
material defect, or the
head was struck predominantly below the rim. He recommended the test
line of helmet
standards be lowered to provide protection to the forehead, temple,
and ear regions.

The two essential components of a bicycle helmet are its rigid head
covering generally
consisting of polystyrene foam and a retention system composed of
flexible strap. Helmets
are constructed such that the energy from an impact is absorbed by the
helmet material,
causing its partial destruction and thereby protecting the head. Most
helmets manufactured
for bicycling conform to standards set by private, nonprofit
organizations. Shock
absorption standards [15] are based on determining the imparted
acceleration to an
appropriately instrumented test headform. The test headform consists
of a rigid, lowresonance
material and is dropped in a guided fall upon two types of fixed rigid
steel

Fig.2. Diagram of a bicycle helmet with modifications designed to
cover more of the head and lower
face.


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anvils-one flat and one hemispherical. The test surface attempts to
simulate a flat tarmac
road surface or most parts of a car structure. Therefore, the present
design of helmets is
biased toward protection from impacts with these surfaces but do not
take into consideration
impact with irregular surfaces or deformable objects which are often
found in
off-road use. No standard currently tests protection parameters of
helmets that impact
with a deformable object presumably because ofthe need to replace it
after each test [16].
The importance of test standards with such impact surfaces is
uncertain because presently
available data do not demonstrate what types of surfaces are most
commonly encountered
in off-road crashes.

Even if a helmet meets the standards mentioned above of a certain
minimum level of
protection in the laboratory, how this standard corresponds to a
helmet's performance in a
real-world impact is less certain. One approximation estimates a
helmet which.meets
current standards should protect the cyclists for impacts up to 15 mph
into a flat surface
[17]. Velocities attained in mountain biking have far exceeded this
estimate, as illustrated
in the cases cited and observations from downhill races in which
speeds in excess of 45 mph
are attained [18]. Cyclists, both road riders and mountain bikers,
should be cautioned that
conventional helmets are limited in their capability to protect the
head in a high-velocitY
direct impact.

The cases and discussion indicate further research is needed in this
area. The actual
incidence of such injuries is difficult to estimate because no
surveillance system is currently
available to identify cyclists injured specifically from off-road
riding. Even less known are
the particular mechanisms of injury and the objects struck in crashes.
Investigations are
currently underway to study such items. These details are important
because optimum
design of helmets for off-road use depend on this type of
information.

In summary, it is suggested the helmet industry and standards
organizations should
consider a helmet designed for off-road use and take into
consideration the following
recommendations:

1.
Extending the outer rim of the helmet such that more of the head is
covered,
particularly the ears (Fig. 2).
2.
An additional apparatus to cover the lower face (Fig. 2).
3.
Much of the riding in mountain biking includes steep downhill grades
in which
considerable velocities may be attained; therefore, the material
design would need to
take into account the possibility of greater energy absorption in the
event of a
high-speed crash.
4.
The terrain varies greatly and the presumption of an impact with a
flat, nondeformable
surface may be misleading in the setting of off-road use. Standards
for impact with
irregular surfaces and deformable surfaces also need testing.
References

1.
Bicycle Wholesale Distributors Association. 1993Annual Statistical
Review. Philadelphia: BWDA,
1994.
2.
Chow, T.K., Bracker, M.D. and Patrick, K. Acute injuries from mountain
biking. West J Med
1993; 159: 145-8.
3.
Thompson, R.S., Rivara, F.P. and Thompson, D.C. A case-control study
of the effectiveness of
bicycle safety helmets. N EnglJMed 1989; 320: 1361-7.
4.
Wasserman, R.C., Waller, J.A., Monty, M.J., Emery, A.B. and Robinson,
D.R. Bicyclists,

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helmets, and head injuries: a rider-based study of helmet use and
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McDermott, F.T., Lane, I.C, Brazenor, G.A and Debney, E.A The
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Maimaris, C, Summers, CL., Browning, C and Palmer, CR Injury patterns
in cyclists
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Fisher, D. History, helmets and standards: 40 years of advancement in
head protection. ASTM
Standardization News, June 1992.
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Pfeiffer, RP. and Kronisch, RL. Off-road cycling injuries: an
overview. Sports Med 1995; 19:
311-25.
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Lindqvist, C, Sorsa, S. Hyrkas, T. and Santavirta, S. Maxillofacial
fractures sustained in bicycle
accidents. Int J Oral Maxillofac Surg 1986; 15: 12-8.
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Thompson, D.C, Thompson, RS., Rivara, F.P. and Wolf, M.E. A case-
control study of the
effectiveness of bicycle safety helmets in preventing facial injury.
Am J Public Health 1990; 80:
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Worrell, J. Head injuries in pedal cyclists: how much will protection
help? Injury 1987; 18: 5-6.
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Williams, M. The protection performance of bicyclists' helmets in
accidents. Accid Anal Prev
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Bjornstig, D., Ostrom, M., Eriksson, A and Sonntag-Ostrom, E. Head and
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bicyclists-with special reference to possible effects of helmet use. J
Trauma 1992; 33: 887-93.
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Dorsch, M.M., Woodward, AJ. and Somers, RL. Do bicycle safety helmets
reduce severity of
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Snell Memorial Foundation. 1990 Standard for Protective Headgear for
Use in Bicycling. St. James,
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Mills, N.J. and Gilchrist, A The effectiveness of foams in bicycle and
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Shraga
2012-03-02 18:39:42 UTC
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Post by Mike Vandeman
Wilderness and Environmental Medicine, 6,385-390 (1995)
ORIGINAL ARTICLE
Do conventional bicycle helmets provide
adequate protection in mountain biking?
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adequate protection in mountain biking?
http://www.giro.com/us_en/products/cycling-helmets/dirt.htmlhttp://www.bellsports.com/en_us/cycling/helmets/dirt/full-face/http://shop.foxhead.com/store/browse/subcategoryGrid.jsp;jsessionid=2...
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Any sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!
Len McGoogle
2012-03-03 15:02:09 UTC
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Post by Mike Vandeman
Wilderness and Environmental Medicine, 6,385-390 (1995)
ORIGINAL ARTICLE
Do conventional bicycle helmets provide
adequate protection in mountain biking?
http://www.giro.com/us_en/products/cycling-helmets/dirt.htmlhttp://ww......
... etc.
Any sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!
Like the helmets equestrians wear? I agree.
Mike Vandeman
2012-03-03 16:38:07 UTC
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Post by Mike Vandeman
Wilderness and Environmental Medicine, 6,385-390 (1995)
ORIGINAL ARTICLE
Do conventional bicycle helmets provide
adequate protection in mountain biking?
http://www.giro.com/us_en/products/cycling-helmets/dirt.htmlhttp://ww......
... etc.
Any sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!
Like the helmets equestrians wear? I agree.
No, you don't, liar, or you wouldn't be mountain biking. Why can't
mountain bikers EVER tell the truth about their selfish, destructive,
disgusting sport?
Len McGoogle
2012-03-04 01:57:17 UTC
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Post by Mike Vandeman
Wilderness and Environmental Medicine, 6,385-390 (1995)
ORIGINAL ARTICLE
Do conventional bicycle helmets provide
adequate protection in mountain biking?
http://www.giro.com/us_en/products/cycling-helmets/dirt.htmlhttp://ww......
... etc.
Any sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!
Like the helmets equestrians wear? I agree.
No, you don't, liar, or you wouldn't be mountain biking. Why can't
mountain bikers EVER tell the truth about their selfish, destructive,
disgusting sport?
Thanks for agreeing that equestrians are stupid and looking out for
their safety. They wear helmets because they are trying to control a
big dumb animal and could become injured.
Mike Vandeman
2012-03-04 03:04:50 UTC
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Wilderness and Environmental Medicine, 6,385-390 (1995)
ORIGINAL ARTICLE
Do conventional bicycle helmets provide
adequate protection in mountain biking?
http://www.giro.com/us_en/products/cycling-helmets/dirt.htmlhttp://ww......
... etc.
Any sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!
Like the helmets equestrians wear? I agree.
No, you don't, liar, or you wouldn't be mountain biking. Why can't
mountain bikers EVER tell the truth about their selfish, destructive,
disgusting sport?
Thanks for agreeing that equestrians are stupid and looking out for
their safety. They wear helmets because they are trying to control a
big dumb animal and could become injured.
No, they wear helmets because mountain bikers are stupider than
horses, and frequently endanger wildlife and other trail users.
Mountain bikers are their own worst enemies (evolution in action)!
Len McGoogle
2012-03-04 23:54:59 UTC
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Wilderness and Environmental Medicine, 6,385-390 (1995)
ORIGINAL ARTICLE
Do conventional bicycle helmets provide
adequate protection in mountain biking?
http://www.giro.com/us_en/products/cycling-helmets/dirt.htmlhttp://ww......
... etc.
Any sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!
Like the helmets equestrians wear? I agree.
No, you don't, liar, or you wouldn't be mountain biking. Why can't
mountain bikers EVER tell the truth about their selfish, destructive,
disgusting sport?
Thanks for agreeing that equestrians are stupid and looking out for
their safety. They wear helmets because they are trying to control a
big dumb animal and could become injured.
No, they wear helmets because mountain bikers are stupider than
horses, and frequently endanger wildlife and other trail users.
Mountain bikers are their own worst enemies (evolution in action)!
Thank you! Thank you!

I appreciate you joining me and bringing to light how dangerous riding
horses is. Your endorsement that "Any sport so extreme that it
requires special protective equipment is pretty stupid! Kind of like
the people who practice it!" is just the statement we need to save the
lives of equestrians.

I agree, it is selfish to force an animal to carry and be controlled
by some fat human. Together we can free horses from this dangerous,
destructive pastime.
Mike Vandeman
2012-03-05 02:30:00 UTC
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Wilderness and Environmental Medicine, 6,385-390 (1995)
ORIGINAL ARTICLE
Do conventional bicycle helmets provide
adequate protection in mountain biking?
http://www.giro.com/us_en/products/cycling-helmets/dirt.htmlhttp://ww......
... etc.
Any sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!
Like the helmets equestrians wear? I agree.
No, you don't, liar, or you wouldn't be mountain biking. Why can't
mountain bikers EVER tell the truth about their selfish, destructive,
disgusting sport?
Thanks for agreeing that equestrians are stupid and looking out for
their safety. They wear helmets because they are trying to control a
big dumb animal and could become injured.
No, they wear helmets because mountain bikers are stupider than
horses, and frequently endanger wildlife and other trail users.
Mountain bikers are their own worst enemies (evolution in action)!
Thank you! Thank you!
I appreciate you joining me and bringing to light how dangerous riding
horses is. Your endorsement that "Any sport so extreme that it
requires special protective equipment is pretty stupid! Kind of like
the people who practice it!" is just the statement we need to save the
lives of equestrians.
I agree, it is selfish to force an animal to carry and be controlled
by some fat human. Together we can free horses from this dangerous,
destructive pastime.
The easiest way to make horseback riding safer is to restrict bikes to
paved roads.
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Wilderness and Environmental Medicine, 6,385-390 (1995)
ORIGINAL ARTICLE
Do conventional bicycle helmets provide
adequate protection in mountain biking?
http://www.giro.com/us_en/products/cycling-helmets/dirt.htmlhttp://ww......
... etc.
Any sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!
Like the helmets equestrians wear? I agree.
No, you don't, liar, or you wouldn't be mountain biking. Why can't
mountain bikers EVER tell the truth about their selfish, destructive,
disgusting sport?
Thanks for agreeing that equestrians are stupid and looking out for
their safety. They wear helmets because they are trying to control a
big dumb animal and could become injured.
No, they wear helmets because mountain bikers are stupider than
horses, and frequently endanger wildlife and other trail users.
Mountain bikers are their own worst enemies (evolution in action)!
Thank you! Thank you!
I appreciate you joining me and bringing to light how dangerous riding
horses is. Your endorsement that "Any sport so extreme that it
requires special protective equipment is pretty stupid! Kind of like
the people who practice it!" is just the statement we need to save the
lives of equestrians.
I agree, it is selfish to force an animal to carry and be controlled
by some fat human. Together we can free horses from this dangerous,
destructive pastime.
The easiest way to make horseback riding safer is to restrict bikes to
paved roads.
We'll work on that later.

For now, you and I need to spread the word that riding horses is
"pretty stupid, kind of like the people who practice it".
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Wilderness and Environmental Medicine, 6,385-390 (1995)
ORIGINAL ARTICLE
Do conventional bicycle helmets provide
adequate protection in mountain biking?
http://www.giro.com/us_en/products/cycling-helmets/dirt.htmlhttp://ww......
... etc.
Any sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!
Like the helmets equestrians wear? I agree.
No, you don't, liar, or you wouldn't be mountain biking. Why can't
mountain bikers EVER tell the truth about their selfish, destructive,
disgusting sport?
Thanks for agreeing that equestrians are stupid and looking out for
their safety. They wear helmets because they are trying to control a
big dumb animal and could become injured.
No, they wear helmets because mountain bikers are stupider than
horses, and frequently endanger wildlife and other trail users.
Mountain bikers are their own worst enemies (evolution in action)!
Thank you! Thank you!
I appreciate you joining me and bringing to light how dangerous riding
horses is. Your endorsement that "Any sport so extreme that it
requires special protective equipment is pretty stupid! Kind of like
the people who practice it!" is just the statement we need to save the
lives of equestrians.
I agree, it is selfish to force an animal to carry and be controlled
by some fat human. Together we can free horses from this dangerous,
destructive pastime.
The easiest way to make horseback riding safer is to restrict bikes to
paved roads.
We'll work on that later.
For now, you and I need to spread the word that riding horses is
"pretty stupid, kind of like the people who practice it".
Obviously, that's not what I said, liar.
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Wilderness and Environmental Medicine, 6,385-390 (1995)
ORIGINAL ARTICLE
Do conventional bicycle helmets provide
adequate protection in mountain biking?
http://www.giro.com/us_en/products/cycling-helmets/dirt.htmlhttp://ww......
... etc.
Any sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!
Like the helmets equestrians wear? I agree.
No, you don't, liar, or you wouldn't be mountain biking. Why can't
mountain bikers EVER tell the truth about their selfish, destructive,
disgusting sport?
Thanks for agreeing that equestrians are stupid and looking out for
their safety. They wear helmets because they are trying to control a
big dumb animal and could become injured.
No, they wear helmets because mountain bikers are stupider than
horses, and frequently endanger wildlife and other trail users.
Mountain bikers are their own worst enemies (evolution in action)!
Thank you! Thank you!
I appreciate you joining me and bringing to light how dangerous riding
horses is. Your endorsement that "Any sport so extreme that it
requires special protective equipment is pretty stupid! Kind of like
the people who practice it!" is just the statement we need to save the
lives of equestrians.
I agree, it is selfish to force an animal to carry and be controlled
by some fat human. Together we can free horses from this dangerous,
destructive pastime.
The easiest way to make horseback riding safer is to restrict bikes to
paved roads.
We'll work on that later.
For now, you and I need to spread the word that riding horses is
"pretty stupid, kind of like the people who practice it".
Obviously, that's not what I said, liar.
Mike, don't be so modest, that's exactly what you said. You said ANY
sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!

Don't worry, I'll make sure you get all the credit.
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2012-03-06 04:38:05 UTC
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Wilderness and Environmental Medicine, 6,385-390 (1995)
ORIGINAL ARTICLE
Do conventional bicycle helmets provide
adequate protection in mountain biking?
http://www.giro.com/us_en/products/cycling-helmets/dirt.htmlhttp://ww......
... etc.
Any sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!
Like the helmets equestrians wear? I agree.
No, you don't, liar, or you wouldn't be mountain biking. Why can't
mountain bikers EVER tell the truth about their selfish, destructive,
disgusting sport?
Thanks for agreeing that equestrians are stupid and looking out for
their safety. They wear helmets because they are trying to control a
big dumb animal and could become injured.
No, they wear helmets because mountain bikers are stupider than
horses, and frequently endanger wildlife and other trail users.
Mountain bikers are their own worst enemies (evolution in action)!
Thank you! Thank you!
I appreciate you joining me and bringing to light how dangerous riding
horses is. Your endorsement that "Any sport so extreme that it
requires special protective equipment is pretty stupid! Kind of like
the people who practice it!" is just the statement we need to save the
lives of equestrians.
I agree, it is selfish to force an animal to carry and be controlled
by some fat human. Together we can free horses from this dangerous,
destructive pastime.
The easiest way to make horseback riding safer is to restrict bikes to
paved roads.
We'll work on that later.
For now, you and I need to spread the word that riding horses is
"pretty stupid, kind of like the people who practice it".
Obviously, that's not what I said, liar.
Mike, don't be so modest, that's exactly what you said. You said ANY
sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!
Don't worry, I'll make sure you get all the credit.
You are an idiot, like ALL mountain bikers. Horseback riding is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians. You are fooling
no one except yourself.
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2012-03-06 16:59:47 UTC
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I agree, it is selfish to force an animal to carry and be controlled
by some fat human. Together we can free horses from this dangerous,
destructive pastime.
The easiest way to make horseback riding safer is to restrict bikes to
paved roads.
We'll work on that later.
For now, you and I need to spread the word that riding horses is
"pretty stupid, kind of like the people who practice it".
Obviously, that's not what I said, liar.
Mike, don't be so modest, that's exactly what you said. You said ANY
sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!
Don't worry, I'll make sure you get all the credit.
You are an idiot, like ALL mountain bikers. Horseback riding is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians. You are fooling
no one except yourself.
The fact that you are doubling down on this ridiculous claim is more
proof of your insanity.

Please read this article:

http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40/n6/full/3101280a.html#tbl7

Although I know it's a challenge, try to pay close attention to Table
7, which lists the "causative factors." The types of equestrian
activities listed as a "causation" (i.e., "causes" of the injuries)
include "racing, course racing, show jumping, dressage, horse trials
and eventing, rodeo events and polo" among others.

While you may not support these activities, they do, in fact, involve
"horseback riding" and, as the article shows, do result in injuries.
So, please explain how mountain bikers endanger equestrians during
dressage events. And when you're done with that, please post the
evidence that proves that these injuries NEVER occurred prior to the
existence of mountain bikers.

Furthermore, here is a helpful list of protective equipment
recommended to horseback riders:

http://www.hughston.com/hha/a.horse.htm
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I agree, it is selfish to force an animal to carry and be controlled
by some fat human. Together we can free horses from this dangerous,
destructive pastime.
The easiest way to make horseback riding safer is to restrict bikes to
paved roads.
We'll work on that later.
For now, you and I need to spread the word that riding horses is
"pretty stupid, kind of like the people who practice it".
Obviously, that's not what I said, liar.
Mike, don't be so modest, that's exactly what you said. You said ANY
sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!
Don't worry, I'll make sure you get all the credit.
You are an idiot, like ALL mountain bikers. Horseback riding is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians. You are fooling
no one except yourself.
The fact that you are doubling down on this ridiculous claim is more
proof of your insanity.
http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40/n6/full/3101280a.html#tbl7
Although I know it's a challenge, try to pay close attention to Table
7, which lists the "causative factors." The types of equestrian
activities listed as a "causation" (i.e., "causes" of the injuries)
include "racing, course racing, show jumping, dressage, horse trials
and eventing, rodeo events and polo" among others.
While you may not support these activities, they do, in fact, involve
"horseback riding" and, as the article shows, do result in injuries.
So, please explain how mountain bikers endanger equestrians during
dressage events. And when you're done with that, please post the
evidence that proves that these injuries NEVER occurred prior to the
existence of mountain bikers.
Furthermore, here is a helpful list of protective equipment
http://www.hughston.com/hha/a.horse.htm
As I said, any sport that requires a helmet is insane. What part of
that don't you understand? Mountain biking seems to be the most
dangerous of those, judging by the number & severity of accidents..
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2012-03-07 16:40:49 UTC
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You are an idiot, like ALL mountain bikers. Horseback riding is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians. You are fooling
no one except yourself.
The fact that you are doubling down on this ridiculous claim is more
proof of your insanity.
http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40/n6/full/3101280a.html#tbl7
Although I know it's a challenge, try to pay close attention to Table
7, which lists the "causative factors." The types of equestrian
activities listed as a "causation" (i.e., "causes" of the injuries)
include "racing, course racing, show jumping, dressage, horse trials
and eventing, rodeo events and polo" among others.
While you may not support these activities, they do, in fact, involve
"horseback riding" and, as the article shows, do result in injuries.
So, please explain how mountain bikers endanger equestrians during
dressage events. And when you're done with that, please post the
evidence that proves that these injuries NEVER occurred prior to the
existence of mountain bikers.
As I said, any sport that requires a helmet is insane. What part of
that don't you understand? Mountain biking seems to be the most
dangerous of those, judging by the number & severity of accidents..
That's not what my response is addressing, idiot. Learn to READ.

What you wrote, liar, and now refuse to address is, "Horseback riding
is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians."

I proved the contrary, and you are to much of a coward to admit it.

Why do you have to be deceitful to make your point? Are your arguments
that weak?
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You are an idiot, like ALL mountain bikers. Horseback riding is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians. You are fooling
no one except yourself.
The fact that you are doubling down on this ridiculous claim is more
proof of your insanity.
http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40/n6/full/3101280a.html#tbl7
Although I know it's a challenge, try to pay close attention to Table
7, which lists the "causative factors." The types of equestrian
activities listed as a "causation" (i.e., "causes" of the injuries)
include "racing, course racing, show jumping, dressage, horse trials
and eventing, rodeo events and polo" among others.
While you may not support these activities, they do, in fact, involve
"horseback riding" and, as the article shows, do result in injuries.
So, please explain how mountain bikers endanger equestrians during
dressage events. And when you're done with that, please post the
evidence that proves that these injuries NEVER occurred prior to the
existence of mountain bikers.
As I said, any sport that requires a helmet is insane. What part of
that don't you understand? Mountain biking seems to be the most
dangerous of those, judging by the number & severity of accidents..
That's not what my response is addressing, idiot. Learn to READ.
What you wrote, liar, and now refuse to address is, "Horseback riding
is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians."
I proved the contrary, and you are to much of a coward to admit it.
BS. You only proved that equestrians sometimes use helmets, NOT that
they are REQUIRED. Learn to READ, idiot.
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Why do you have to be deceitful to make your point? Are your arguments
that weak?
Look up "Projection" in a dictionary of Psychology. Mountain bikers
lie more than anyone else I know of, INCLUDING politicians!.
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2012-03-07 21:08:44 UTC
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You are an idiot, like ALL mountain bikers. Horseback riding is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians. You are fooling
no one except yourself.
The fact that you are doubling down on this ridiculous claim is more
proof of your insanity.
http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40/n6/full/3101280a.html#tbl7
Although I know it's a challenge, try to pay close attention to Table
7, which lists the "causative factors." The types of equestrian
activities listed as a "causation" (i.e., "causes" of the injuries)
include "racing, course racing, show jumping, dressage, horse trials
and eventing, rodeo events and polo" among others.
While you may not support these activities, they do, in fact, involve
"horseback riding" and, as the article shows, do result in injuries.
So, please explain how mountain bikers endanger equestrians during
dressage events. And when you're done with that, please post the
evidence that proves that these injuries NEVER occurred prior to the
existence of mountain bikers.
As I said, any sport that requires a helmet is insane. What part of
that don't you understand? Mountain biking seems to be the most
dangerous of those, judging by the number & severity of accidents..
That's not what my response is addressing, idiot. Learn to READ.
What you wrote, liar, and now refuse to address is, "Horseback riding
is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians."
I proved the contrary, and you are to much of a coward to admit it.
BS. You only proved that equestrians sometimes use helmets, NOT that
they are REQUIRED. Learn to READ, idiot.
Odd. I apparently mistook you for someone with an IQ above room-
temperature. I OBVIOUSLY showed you that equestrians sustain injuries
independent of mountain biker activity. Yet now you are going on about
helmets. You are just like a politician responding at a debate...
Someone asks you a question, and you provide an answer that has
nothing to do with it.

You wrote: "Horseback riding is only dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS
endanger equestrians." That is CLEARLY a lie; you were caught, and now
you are AFRAID to address it.

Why do you think you have to lie to make your point? Are your
arguments that weak?
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2012-03-08 10:12:14 UTC
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You are an idiot, like ALL mountain bikers. Horseback riding is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians. You are fooling
no one except yourself.
The fact that you are doubling down on this ridiculous claim is more
proof of your insanity.
http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40/n6/full/3101280a.html#tbl7
Although I know it's a challenge, try to pay close attention to Table
7, which lists the "causative factors." The types of equestrian
activities listed as a "causation" (i.e., "causes" of the injuries)
include "racing, course racing, show jumping, dressage, horse trials
and eventing, rodeo events and polo" among others.
While you may not support these activities, they do, in fact, involve
"horseback riding" and, as the article shows, do result in injuries.
So, please explain how mountain bikers endanger equestrians during
dressage events. And when you're done with that, please post the
evidence that proves that these injuries NEVER occurred prior to the
existence of mountain bikers.
As I said, any sport that requires a helmet is insane. What part of
that don't you understand? Mountain biking seems to be the most
dangerous of those, judging by the number & severity of accidents..
That's not what my response is addressing, idiot. Learn to READ.
What you wrote, liar, and now refuse to address is, "Horseback riding
is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians."
I proved the contrary, and you are to much of a coward to admit it.
BS. You only proved that equestrians sometimes use helmets, NOT that
they are REQUIRED. Learn to READ, idiot.
Odd. I apparently mistook you for someone with an IQ above room-
temperature. I OBVIOUSLY showed you that equestrians sustain injuries
independent of mountain biker activity. Yet now you are going on about
helmets. You are just like a politician responding at a debate...
Someone asks you a question, and you provide an answer that has
nothing to do with it.
You wrote: "Horseback riding is only dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS
endanger equestrians." That is CLEARLY a lie; you were caught, and now
you are AFRAID to address it.
Nope. True. You have proved nothing.
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2012-03-08 14:51:29 UTC
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You are an idiot, like ALL mountain bikers. Horseback riding is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians. You are fooling
no one except yourself.
The fact that you are doubling down on this ridiculous claim is more
proof of your insanity.
http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40/n6/full/3101280a.html#tbl7
Although I know it's a challenge, try to pay close attention to Table
7, which lists the "causative factors." The types of equestrian
activities listed as a "causation" (i.e., "causes" of the injuries)
include "racing, course racing, show jumping, dressage, horse trials
and eventing, rodeo events and polo" among others.
While you may not support these activities, they do, in fact, involve
"horseback riding" and, as the article shows, do result in injuries.
So, please explain how mountain bikers endanger equestrians during
dressage events. And when you're done with that, please post the
evidence that proves that these injuries NEVER occurred prior to the
existence of mountain bikers.
As I said, any sport that requires a helmet is insane. What part of
that don't you understand? Mountain biking seems to be the most
dangerous of those, judging by the number & severity of accidents..
That's not what my response is addressing, idiot. Learn to READ.
What you wrote, liar, and now refuse to address is, "Horseback riding
is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians."
I proved the contrary, and you are to much of a coward to admit it.
BS. You only proved that equestrians sometimes use helmets, NOT that
they are REQUIRED. Learn to READ, idiot.
Odd. I apparently mistook you for someone with an IQ above room-
temperature. I OBVIOUSLY showed you that equestrians sustain injuries
independent of mountain biker activity. Yet now you are going on about
helmets. You are just like a politician responding at a debate...
Someone asks you a question, and you provide an answer that has
nothing to do with it.
You wrote: "Horseback riding is only dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS
endanger equestrians." That is CLEARLY a lie; you were caught, and now
you are AFRAID to address it.
Nope. True. You have proved nothing.
That's a childish claim, considering you can't refute what I wrote.

It's also a typical politician's response. I backed you into a corner
and you have nothing left but a baseless denial. The evidence that
equestrians sustain injuries independent of mountain biker activity is
in that Nature reference for everyone to see... Well, everyone but
YOU, I guess, since you can't read.

Keep squirming, fool.
Mike Vandeman
2012-03-08 17:51:45 UTC
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You are an idiot, like ALL mountain bikers. Horseback riding is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians. You are fooling
no one except yourself.
The fact that you are doubling down on this ridiculous claim is more
proof of your insanity.
http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40/n6/full/3101280a.html#tbl7
Although I know it's a challenge, try to pay close attention to Table
7, which lists the "causative factors." The types of equestrian
activities listed as a "causation" (i.e., "causes" of the injuries)
include "racing, course racing, show jumping, dressage, horse trials
and eventing, rodeo events and polo" among others.
While you may not support these activities, they do, in fact, involve
"horseback riding" and, as the article shows, do result in injuries.
So, please explain how mountain bikers endanger equestrians during
dressage events. And when you're done with that, please post the
evidence that proves that these injuries NEVER occurred prior to the
existence of mountain bikers.
As I said, any sport that requires a helmet is insane. What part of
that don't you understand? Mountain biking seems to be the most
dangerous of those, judging by the number & severity of accidents..
That's not what my response is addressing, idiot. Learn to READ.
What you wrote, liar, and now refuse to address is, "Horseback riding
is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians."
I proved the contrary, and you are to much of a coward to admit it.
BS. You only proved that equestrians sometimes use helmets, NOT that
they are REQUIRED. Learn to READ, idiot.
Odd. I apparently mistook you for someone with an IQ above room-
temperature. I OBVIOUSLY showed you that equestrians sustain injuries
independent of mountain biker activity. Yet now you are going on about
helmets. You are just like a politician responding at a debate...
Someone asks you a question, and you provide an answer that has
nothing to do with it.
You wrote: "Horseback riding is only dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS
endanger equestrians." That is CLEARLY a lie; you were caught, and now
you are AFRAID to address it.
Nope. True. You have proved nothing.
That's a childish claim, considering you can't refute what I wrote.
There's nothing to refute, since you never proved that horseback
riding is so dangerous that it REQUIRES one to wear a helmet. Until
you do that, you are only blowing hot air, as usual. QED
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2012-03-09 14:52:54 UTC
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You are an idiot, like ALL mountain bikers. Horseback riding is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians. You are fooling
no one except yourself.
The fact that you are doubling down on this ridiculous claim is more
proof of your insanity.
http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40/n6/full/3101280a.html#tbl7
Although I know it's a challenge, try to pay close attention to Table
7, which lists the "causative factors." The types of equestrian
activities listed as a "causation" (i.e., "causes" of the injuries)
include "racing, course racing, show jumping, dressage, horse trials
and eventing, rodeo events and polo" among others.
While you may not support these activities, they do, in fact, involve
"horseback riding" and, as the article shows, do result in injuries.
So, please explain how mountain bikers endanger equestrians during
dressage events. And when you're done with that, please post the
evidence that proves that these injuries NEVER occurred prior to the
existence of mountain bikers.
As I said, any sport that requires a helmet is insane. What part of
that don't you understand? Mountain biking seems to be the most
dangerous of those, judging by the number & severity of accidents..
That's not what my response is addressing, idiot. Learn to READ.
What you wrote, liar, and now refuse to address is, "Horseback riding
is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians."
I proved the contrary, and you are to much of a coward to admit it.
BS. You only proved that equestrians sometimes use helmets, NOT that
they are REQUIRED. Learn to READ, idiot.
Odd. I apparently mistook you for someone with an IQ above room-
temperature. I OBVIOUSLY showed you that equestrians sustain injuries
independent of mountain biker activity. Yet now you are going on about
helmets. You are just like a politician responding at a debate...
Someone asks you a question, and you provide an answer that has
nothing to do with it.
You wrote: "Horseback riding is only dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS
endanger equestrians." That is CLEARLY a lie; you were caught, and now
you are AFRAID to address it.
Nope. True. You have proved nothing.
That's a childish claim, considering you can't refute what I wrote.
It's also a typical politician's response. I backed you into a corner
and you have nothing left but a baseless denial. The evidence that
equestrians sustain injuries independent of mountain biker activity is
in that Nature reference for everyone to see... Well, everyone but
YOU, I guess, since you can't read.
There's nothing to refute, since you never proved that horseback
riding is so dangerous that it REQUIRES one to wear a helmet. Until
you do that, you are only blowing hot air, as usual. QED
Wow. So now when you can't refute someone, you resort to DELETING the
portion of the text that exceeds your understanding? Is there no end
to your dishonesty?

I put it back for you. You're welcome.

I will repeat it for a fourth time. Maybe you'll get it this time,
moron.

You wrote this IDIOTIC sentence: "Horseback riding is only dangerous
when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians." That is CLEARLY a lie; you
were caught, and now you are AFRAID to address it.

That is what I'm addressing here. Not helmets, moron. You are
desperately trying to change the subject to something you think you
can refute, but it won't work. All you're doing is proving you can't
follow a simple conversation.

You can't address your own comment honestly. That proves you lied.
QED, idiot.
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2012-03-09 21:24:47 UTC
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You are an idiot, like ALL mountain bikers. Horseback riding is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians. You are fooling
no one except yourself.
The fact that you are doubling down on this ridiculous claim is more
proof of your insanity.
http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40/n6/full/3101280a.html#tbl7
Although I know it's a challenge, try to pay close attention to Table
7, which lists the "causative factors." The types of equestrian
activities listed as a "causation" (i.e., "causes" of the injuries)
include "racing, course racing, show jumping, dressage, horse trials
and eventing, rodeo events and polo" among others.
While you may not support these activities, they do, in fact, involve
"horseback riding" and, as the article shows, do result in injuries.
So, please explain how mountain bikers endanger equestrians during
dressage events. And when you're done with that, please post the
evidence that proves that these injuries NEVER occurred prior to the
existence of mountain bikers.
As I said, any sport that requires a helmet is insane. What part of
that don't you understand? Mountain biking seems to be the most
dangerous of those, judging by the number & severity of accidents..
That's not what my response is addressing, idiot. Learn to READ.
What you wrote, liar, and now refuse to address is, "Horseback riding
is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians."
I proved the contrary, and you are to much of a coward to admit it.
BS. You only proved that equestrians sometimes use helmets, NOT that
they are REQUIRED. Learn to READ, idiot.
Odd. I apparently mistook you for someone with an IQ above room-
temperature. I OBVIOUSLY showed you that equestrians sustain injuries
independent of mountain biker activity. Yet now you are going on about
helmets. You are just like a politician responding at a debate...
Someone asks you a question, and you provide an answer that has
nothing to do with it.
You wrote: "Horseback riding is only dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS
endanger equestrians." That is CLEARLY a lie; you were caught, and now
you are AFRAID to address it.
Nope. True. You have proved nothing.
That's a childish claim, considering you can't refute what I wrote.
It's also a typical politician's response. I backed you into a corner
and you have nothing left but a baseless denial. The evidence that
equestrians sustain injuries independent of mountain biker activity is
in that Nature reference for everyone to see... Well, everyone but
YOU, I guess, since you can't read.
There's nothing to refute, since you never proved that horseback
riding is so dangerous that it REQUIRES one to wear a helmet. Until
you do that, you are only blowing hot air, as usual. QED
Wow. So now when you can't refute someone, you resort to DELETING the
portion of the text that exceeds your understanding? Is there no end
to your dishonesty?
I put it back for you. You're welcome.
I will repeat it for a fourth time. Maybe you'll get it this time,
moron.
You wrote this IDIOTIC sentence: "Horseback riding is only dangerous
when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians."
That is true.

That is CLEARLY a lie; you
Post by Shraga
were caught, and now you are AFRAID to address it.
That is what I'm addressing here. Not helmets, moron. You are
desperately trying to change the subject to something you think you
can refute, but it won't work. All you're doing is proving you can't
follow a simple conversation.
You can't address your own comment honestly. That proves you lied.
QED, idiot.
You proved NOTHING.
Shraga
2012-03-09 22:09:25 UTC
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You are an idiot, like ALL mountain bikers. Horseback riding is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians. You are fooling
no one except yourself.
The fact that you are doubling down on this ridiculous claim is more
proof of your insanity.
http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40/n6/full/3101280a.html#tbl7
Although I know it's a challenge, try to pay close attention to Table
7, which lists the "causative factors." The types of equestrian
activities listed as a "causation" (i.e., "causes" of the injuries)
include "racing, course racing, show jumping, dressage, horse trials
and eventing, rodeo events and polo" among others.
While you may not support these activities, they do, in fact, involve
"horseback riding" and, as the article shows, do result in injuries.
So, please explain how mountain bikers endanger equestrians during
dressage events. And when you're done with that, please post the
evidence that proves that these injuries NEVER occurred prior to the
existence of mountain bikers.
As I said, any sport that requires a helmet is insane. What part of
that don't you understand? Mountain biking seems to be the most
dangerous of those, judging by the number & severity of accidents..
That's not what my response is addressing, idiot. Learn to READ.
What you wrote, liar, and now refuse to address is, "Horseback riding
is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians."
I proved the contrary, and you are to much of a coward to admit it.
BS. You only proved that equestrians sometimes use helmets, NOT that
they are REQUIRED. Learn to READ, idiot.
Odd. I apparently mistook you for someone with an IQ above room-
temperature. I OBVIOUSLY showed you that equestrians sustain injuries
independent of mountain biker activity. Yet now you are going on about
helmets. You are just like a politician responding at a debate...
Someone asks you a question, and you provide an answer that has
nothing to do with it.
You wrote: "Horseback riding is only dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS
endanger equestrians." That is CLEARLY a lie; you were caught, and now
you are AFRAID to address it.
Nope. True. You have proved nothing.
That's a childish claim, considering you can't refute what I wrote.
It's also a typical politician's response. I backed you into a corner
and you have nothing left but a baseless denial. The evidence that
equestrians sustain injuries independent of mountain biker activity is
in that Nature reference for everyone to see... Well, everyone but
YOU, I guess, since you can't read.
There's nothing to refute, since you never proved that horseback
riding is so dangerous that it REQUIRES one to wear a helmet. Until
you do that, you are only blowing hot air, as usual. QED
Wow. So now when you can't refute someone, you resort to DELETING the
portion of the text that exceeds your understanding? Is there no end
to your dishonesty?
I put it back for you. You're welcome.
I will repeat it for a fourth time. Maybe you'll get it this time,
moron.
You wrote this IDIOTIC sentence: "Horseback riding is only dangerous
when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians."
That is true.
Congratulations! That's the first time you were able to follow the
thread. Now, if only you could learn to read...
Post by Mike Vandeman
 That is CLEARLY a lie; you
Post by Shraga
were caught, and now you are AFRAID to address it.
That is what I'm addressing here. Not helmets, moron. You are
desperately trying to change the subject to something you think you
can refute, but it won't work. All you're doing is proving you can't
follow a simple conversation.
You can't address your own comment honestly. That proves you lied.
QED, idiot.
You proved NOTHING.
Blah, blah blah. Your lack of a reasoned response shows otherwise. You
haven't been able to muster a coherent response yet; so your denial is
baseless. Senility is apparently getting the best of you.

In 1937 Cole Porter was crippled in a riding accident. How did a
mountain biker endanger Cole Porter?

Here, again, since you are afraid to read it, is the article from
Nature that breaks down the incidence of equestrian injuries:

http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40/n6/full/3101280a.html#tbl7

In light of those examples, address your moronic statement that,
"Horseback riding is only dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger
equestrians."

And by "address", I mean act like a grown up, not like a pouting child
whose most sophisticated response is "did not!" or similar pathetic
denial.

Of course you won't, because you can't.
Mike Vandeman
2012-03-09 23:14:26 UTC
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You are an idiot, like ALL mountain bikers. Horseback riding is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians. You are fooling
no one except yourself.
The fact that you are doubling down on this ridiculous claim is more
proof of your insanity.
http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40/n6/full/3101280a.html#tbl7
Although I know it's a challenge, try to pay close attention to Table
7, which lists the "causative factors." The types of equestrian
activities listed as a "causation" (i.e., "causes" of the injuries)
include "racing, course racing, show jumping, dressage, horse trials
and eventing, rodeo events and polo" among others.
While you may not support these activities, they do, in fact, involve
"horseback riding" and, as the article shows, do result in injuries.
So, please explain how mountain bikers endanger equestrians during
dressage events. And when you're done with that, please post the
evidence that proves that these injuries NEVER occurred prior to the
existence of mountain bikers.
As I said, any sport that requires a helmet is insane. What part of
that don't you understand? Mountain biking seems to be the most
dangerous of those, judging by the number & severity of accidents..
That's not what my response is addressing, idiot. Learn to READ.
What you wrote, liar, and now refuse to address is, "Horseback riding
is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians."
I proved the contrary, and you are to much of a coward to admit it.
BS. You only proved that equestrians sometimes use helmets, NOT that
they are REQUIRED. Learn to READ, idiot.
Odd. I apparently mistook you for someone with an IQ above room-
temperature. I OBVIOUSLY showed you that equestrians sustain injuries
independent of mountain biker activity. Yet now you are going on about
helmets. You are just like a politician responding at a debate...
Someone asks you a question, and you provide an answer that has
nothing to do with it.
You wrote: "Horseback riding is only dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS
endanger equestrians." That is CLEARLY a lie; you were caught, and now
you are AFRAID to address it.
Nope. True. You have proved nothing.
That's a childish claim, considering you can't refute what I wrote.
It's also a typical politician's response. I backed you into a corner
and you have nothing left but a baseless denial. The evidence that
equestrians sustain injuries independent of mountain biker activity is
in that Nature reference for everyone to see... Well, everyone but
YOU, I guess, since you can't read.
There's nothing to refute, since you never proved that horseback
riding is so dangerous that it REQUIRES one to wear a helmet. Until
you do that, you are only blowing hot air, as usual. QED
Wow. So now when you can't refute someone, you resort to DELETING the
portion of the text that exceeds your understanding? Is there no end
to your dishonesty?
I put it back for you. You're welcome.
I will repeat it for a fourth time. Maybe you'll get it this time,
moron.
You wrote this IDIOTIC sentence: "Horseback riding is only dangerous
when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians."
That is true.
Congratulations! That's the first time you were able to follow the
thread. Now, if only you could learn to read...
Post by Mike Vandeman
 That is CLEARLY a lie; you
Post by Shraga
were caught, and now you are AFRAID to address it.
That is what I'm addressing here. Not helmets, moron. You are
desperately trying to change the subject to something you think you
can refute, but it won't work. All you're doing is proving you can't
follow a simple conversation.
You can't address your own comment honestly. That proves you lied.
QED, idiot.
You proved NOTHING.
Blah, blah blah. Your lack of a reasoned response shows otherwise. You
haven't been able to muster a coherent response yet; so your denial is
baseless. Senility is apparently getting the best of you.
In 1937 Cole Porter was crippled in a riding accident. How did a
mountain biker endanger Cole Porter?
Here, again, since you are afraid to read it, is the article from
http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40/n6/full/3101280a.html#tbl7
BS. You conveniently neglected to mention that they are only talking
about SPORT (competitive) riding, which is not the kind of riding we
are talking about, on park trails. Try to stick to the subject! I
know, you are afraid to admit that I am right. And that you have the
IQ of a cabbage, on a good day.
Post by Shraga
In light of those examples, address your moronic statement that,
"Horseback riding is only dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger
equestrians."
And by "address", I mean act like a grown up, not like a pouting child
whose most sophisticated response is "did not!" or similar pathetic
denial.
Of course you won't, because you can't.
Shraga
2012-03-12 01:49:21 UTC
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You are an idiot, like ALL mountain bikers. Horseback riding is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians. You are fooling
no one except yourself.
The fact that you are doubling down on this ridiculous claim is more
proof of your insanity.
http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40/n6/full/3101280a.html#tbl7
Although I know it's a challenge, try to pay close attention to Table
7, which lists the "causative factors." The types of equestrian
activities listed as a "causation" (i.e., "causes" of the injuries)
include "racing, course racing, show jumping, dressage, horse trials
and eventing, rodeo events and polo" among others.
While you may not support these activities, they do, in fact, involve
"horseback riding" and, as the article shows, do result in injuries.
So, please explain how mountain bikers endanger equestrians during
dressage events. And when you're done with that, please post the
evidence that proves that these injuries NEVER occurred prior to the
existence of mountain bikers.
As I said, any sport that requires a helmet is insane. What part of
that don't you understand? Mountain biking seems to be the most
dangerous of those, judging by the number & severity of accidents..
That's not what my response is addressing, idiot. Learn to READ.
What you wrote, liar, and now refuse to address is, "Horseback riding
is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians."
I proved the contrary, and you are to much of a coward to admit it.
BS. You only proved that equestrians sometimes use helmets, NOT that
they are REQUIRED. Learn to READ, idiot.
Odd. I apparently mistook you for someone with an IQ above room-
temperature. I OBVIOUSLY showed you that equestrians sustain injuries
independent of mountain biker activity. Yet now you are going on about
helmets. You are just like a politician responding at a debate...
Someone asks you a question, and you provide an answer that has
nothing to do with it.
You wrote: "Horseback riding is only dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS
endanger equestrians." That is CLEARLY a lie; you were caught, and now
you are AFRAID to address it.
Nope. True. You have proved nothing.
That's a childish claim, considering you can't refute what I wrote.
It's also a typical politician's response. I backed you into a corner
and you have nothing left but a baseless denial. The evidence that
equestrians sustain injuries independent of mountain biker activity is
in that Nature reference for everyone to see... Well, everyone but
YOU, I guess, since you can't read.
There's nothing to refute, since you never proved that horseback
riding is so dangerous that it REQUIRES one to wear a helmet. Until
you do that, you are only blowing hot air, as usual. QED
Wow. So now when you can't refute someone, you resort to DELETING the
portion of the text that exceeds your understanding? Is there no end
to your dishonesty?
I put it back for you. You're welcome.
I will repeat it for a fourth time. Maybe you'll get it this time,
moron.
You wrote this IDIOTIC sentence: "Horseback riding is only dangerous
when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians."
That is true.
Congratulations! That's the first time you were able to follow the
thread. Now, if only you could learn to read...
Post by Mike Vandeman
 That is CLEARLY a lie; you
Post by Shraga
were caught, and now you are AFRAID to address it.
That is what I'm addressing here. Not helmets, moron. You are
desperately trying to change the subject to something you think you
can refute, but it won't work. All you're doing is proving you can't
follow a simple conversation.
You can't address your own comment honestly. That proves you lied.
QED, idiot.
You proved NOTHING.
Blah, blah blah. Your lack of a reasoned response shows otherwise. You
haven't been able to muster a coherent response yet; so your denial is
baseless. Senility is apparently getting the best of you.
In 1937 Cole Porter was crippled in a riding accident. How did a
mountain biker endanger Cole Porter?
Here, again, since you are afraid to read it, is the article from
http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40/n6/full/3101280a.html#tbl7
BS. You conveniently neglected to mention that they are only talking
about SPORT (competitive) riding, which is not the kind of riding we
are talking about, on park trails. Try to stick to the subject! I
know, you are afraid to admit that I am right. And that you have the
IQ of a cabbage, on a good day.
You wrote: "Horseback riding is *only* dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS
endanger equestrians." You need someone to explain to you what the
word "only" means?

So... No, child, I am not "neglecting" anything. YOU were the one who
used the word "only" in your imbecilic claim, which you are finally
backpedaling from. I have maintained the subject all along. This is
the FIRST time you are mentioning so-called "park trails."

Regardless, you're still lying. Riders had accidents outside of
competition before the existence of mountain bikes (e.g., Cole
Porter). That's obvious to anyone but a dolt like you.

So you're still an idiot and a liar.
Mike Vandeman
2012-03-12 03:16:56 UTC
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You are an idiot, like ALL mountain bikers. Horseback riding is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians. You are fooling
no one except yourself.
The fact that you are doubling down on this ridiculous claim is more
proof of your insanity.
http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40/n6/full/3101280a.html#tbl7
Although I know it's a challenge, try to pay close attention to Table
7, which lists the "causative factors." The types of equestrian
activities listed as a "causation" (i.e., "causes" of the injuries)
include "racing, course racing, show jumping, dressage, horse trials
and eventing, rodeo events and polo" among others.
While you may not support these activities, they do, in fact, involve
"horseback riding" and, as the article shows, do result in injuries.
So, please explain how mountain bikers endanger equestrians during
dressage events. And when you're done with that, please post the
evidence that proves that these injuries NEVER occurred prior to the
existence of mountain bikers.
As I said, any sport that requires a helmet is insane. What part of
that don't you understand? Mountain biking seems to be the most
dangerous of those, judging by the number & severity of accidents..
That's not what my response is addressing, idiot. Learn to READ.
What you wrote, liar, and now refuse to address is, "Horseback riding
is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians."
I proved the contrary, and you are to much of a coward to admit it.
BS. You only proved that equestrians sometimes use helmets, NOT that
they are REQUIRED. Learn to READ, idiot.
Odd. I apparently mistook you for someone with an IQ above room-
temperature. I OBVIOUSLY showed you that equestrians sustain injuries
independent of mountain biker activity. Yet now you are going on about
helmets. You are just like a politician responding at a debate...
Someone asks you a question, and you provide an answer that has
nothing to do with it.
You wrote: "Horseback riding is only dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS
endanger equestrians." That is CLEARLY a lie; you were caught, and now
you are AFRAID to address it.
Nope. True. You have proved nothing.
That's a childish claim, considering you can't refute what I wrote.
It's also a typical politician's response. I backed you into a corner
and you have nothing left but a baseless denial. The evidence that
equestrians sustain injuries independent of mountain biker activity is
in that Nature reference for everyone to see... Well, everyone but
YOU, I guess, since you can't read.
There's nothing to refute, since you never proved that horseback
riding is so dangerous that it REQUIRES one to wear a helmet. Until
you do that, you are only blowing hot air, as usual. QED
Wow. So now when you can't refute someone, you resort to DELETING the
portion of the text that exceeds your understanding? Is there no end
to your dishonesty?
I put it back for you. You're welcome.
I will repeat it for a fourth time. Maybe you'll get it this time,
moron.
You wrote this IDIOTIC sentence: "Horseback riding is only dangerous
when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians."
That is true.
Congratulations! That's the first time you were able to follow the
thread. Now, if only you could learn to read...
Post by Mike Vandeman
 That is CLEARLY a lie; you
Post by Shraga
were caught, and now you are AFRAID to address it.
That is what I'm addressing here. Not helmets, moron. You are
desperately trying to change the subject to something you think you
can refute, but it won't work. All you're doing is proving you can't
follow a simple conversation.
You can't address your own comment honestly. That proves you lied.
QED, idiot.
You proved NOTHING.
Blah, blah blah. Your lack of a reasoned response shows otherwise. You
haven't been able to muster a coherent response yet; so your denial is
baseless. Senility is apparently getting the best of you.
In 1937 Cole Porter was crippled in a riding accident. How did a
mountain biker endanger Cole Porter?
Here, again, since you are afraid to read it, is the article from
http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40/n6/full/3101280a.html#tbl7
BS. You conveniently neglected to mention that they are only talking
about SPORT (competitive) riding, which is not the kind of riding we
are talking about, on park trails. Try to stick to the subject! I
know, you are afraid to admit that I am right. And that you have the
IQ of a cabbage, on a good day.
You wrote: "Horseback riding is *only* dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS
endanger equestrians." You need someone to explain to you what the
word "only" means?
So... No, child, I am not "neglecting" anything. YOU were the one who
used the word "only" in your imbecilic claim, which you are finally
backpedaling from. I have maintained the subject all along. This is
the FIRST time you are mentioning so-called "park trails."
Regardless, you're still lying. Riders had accidents outside of
competition before the existence of mountain bikes (e.g., Cole
Porter). That's obvious to anyone but a dolt like you.
So you're still an idiot and a liar.
Look up "Projection" in a dictionary of Psychology. Then look in the
mirror.
Shraga
2012-03-12 15:13:32 UTC
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You are an idiot, like ALL mountain bikers. Horseback riding is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians. You are fooling
no one except yourself.
The fact that you are doubling down on this ridiculous claim is more
proof of your insanity.
http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40/n6/full/3101280a.html#tbl7
Although I know it's a challenge, try to pay close attention to Table
7, which lists the "causative factors." The types of equestrian
activities listed as a "causation" (i.e., "causes" of the injuries)
include "racing, course racing, show jumping, dressage, horse trials
and eventing, rodeo events and polo" among others.
While you may not support these activities, they do, in fact, involve
"horseback riding" and, as the article shows, do result in injuries.
So, please explain how mountain bikers endanger equestrians during
dressage events. And when you're done with that, please post the
evidence that proves that these injuries NEVER occurred prior to the
existence of mountain bikers.
As I said, any sport that requires a helmet is insane. What part of
that don't you understand? Mountain biking seems to be the most
dangerous of those, judging by the number & severity of accidents..
That's not what my response is addressing, idiot. Learn to READ.
What you wrote, liar, and now refuse to address is, "Horseback riding
is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians."
I proved the contrary, and you are to much of a coward to admit it.
BS. You only proved that equestrians sometimes use helmets, NOT that
they are REQUIRED. Learn to READ, idiot.
Odd. I apparently mistook you for someone with an IQ above room-
temperature. I OBVIOUSLY showed you that equestrians sustain injuries
independent of mountain biker activity. Yet now you are going on about
helmets. You are just like a politician responding at a debate...
Someone asks you a question, and you provide an answer that has
nothing to do with it.
You wrote: "Horseback riding is only dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS
endanger equestrians." That is CLEARLY a lie; you were caught, and now
you are AFRAID to address it.
Nope. True. You have proved nothing.
That's a childish claim, considering you can't refute what I wrote.
It's also a typical politician's response. I backed you into a corner
and you have nothing left but a baseless denial. The evidence that
equestrians sustain injuries independent of mountain biker activity is
in that Nature reference for everyone to see... Well, everyone but
YOU, I guess, since you can't read.
There's nothing to refute, since you never proved that horseback
riding is so dangerous that it REQUIRES one to wear a helmet. Until
you do that, you are only blowing hot air, as usual. QED
Wow. So now when you can't refute someone, you resort to DELETING the
portion of the text that exceeds your understanding? Is there no end
to your dishonesty?
I put it back for you. You're welcome.
I will repeat it for a fourth time. Maybe you'll get it this time,
moron.
You wrote this IDIOTIC sentence: "Horseback riding is only dangerous
when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians."
That is true.
Congratulations! That's the first time you were able to follow the
thread. Now, if only you could learn to read...
Post by Mike Vandeman
 That is CLEARLY a lie; you
Post by Shraga
were caught, and now you are AFRAID to address it.
That is what I'm addressing here. Not helmets, moron. You are
desperately trying to change the subject to something you think you
can refute, but it won't work. All you're doing is proving you can't
follow a simple conversation.
You can't address your own comment honestly. That proves you lied.
QED, idiot.
You proved NOTHING.
Blah, blah blah. Your lack of a reasoned response shows otherwise. You
haven't been able to muster a coherent response yet; so your denial is
baseless. Senility is apparently getting the best of you.
In 1937 Cole Porter was crippled in a riding accident. How did a
mountain biker endanger Cole Porter?
Here, again, since you are afraid to read it, is the article from
http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40/n6/full/3101280a.html#tbl7
BS. You conveniently neglected to mention that they are only talking
about SPORT (competitive) riding, which is not the kind of riding we
are talking about, on park trails. Try to stick to the subject! I
know, you are afraid to admit that I am right. And that you have the
IQ of a cabbage, on a good day.
You wrote: "Horseback riding is *only* dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS
endanger equestrians." You need someone to explain to you what the
word "only" means?
So... No, child, I am not "neglecting" anything. YOU were the one who
used the word "only" in your imbecilic claim, which you are finally
backpedaling from. I have maintained the subject all along. This is
the FIRST time you are mentioning so-called "park trails."
Regardless, you're still lying. Riders had accidents outside of
competition before the existence of mountain bikes (e.g., Cole
Porter). That's obvious to anyone but a dolt like you.
So you're still an idiot and a liar.
Look up "Projection" in a dictionary of Psychology. Then look in the
mirror.
Look up "ad hominem" and then look in the mirror, liar.

You can't refute me, as usual, so you resort to childish name
calling.
Mike Vandeman
2012-03-20 19:12:32 UTC
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You are an idiot, like ALL mountain bikers. Horseback riding is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians. You are fooling
no one except yourself.
The fact that you are doubling down on this ridiculous claim is more
proof of your insanity.
http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40/n6/full/3101280a.html#tbl7
Although I know it's a challenge, try to pay close attention to Table
7, which lists the "causative factors." The types of equestrian
activities listed as a "causation" (i.e., "causes" of the injuries)
include "racing, course racing, show jumping, dressage, horse trials
and eventing, rodeo events and polo" among others.
While you may not support these activities, they do, in fact, involve
"horseback riding" and, as the article shows, do result in injuries.
So, please explain how mountain bikers endanger equestrians during
dressage events. And when you're done with that, please post the
evidence that proves that these injuries NEVER occurred prior to the
existence of mountain bikers.
As I said, any sport that requires a helmet is insane. What part of
that don't you understand? Mountain biking seems to be the most
dangerous of those, judging by the number & severity of accidents..
That's not what my response is addressing, idiot. Learn to READ.
What you wrote, liar, and now refuse to address is, "Horseback riding
is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians."
I proved the contrary, and you are to much of a coward to admit it.
BS. You only proved that equestrians sometimes use helmets, NOT that
they are REQUIRED. Learn to READ, idiot.
Odd. I apparently mistook you for someone with an IQ above room-
temperature. I OBVIOUSLY showed you that equestrians sustain injuries
independent of mountain biker activity. Yet now you are going on about
helmets. You are just like a politician responding at a debate...
Someone asks you a question, and you provide an answer that has
nothing to do with it.
You wrote: "Horseback riding is only dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS
endanger equestrians." That is CLEARLY a lie; you were caught, and now
you are AFRAID to address it.
Nope. True. You have proved nothing.
That's a childish claim, considering you can't refute what I wrote.
It's also a typical politician's response. I backed you into a corner
and you have nothing left but a baseless denial. The evidence that
equestrians sustain injuries independent of mountain biker activity is
in that Nature reference for everyone to see... Well, everyone but
YOU, I guess, since you can't read.
There's nothing to refute, since you never proved that horseback
riding is so dangerous that it REQUIRES one to wear a helmet. Until
you do that, you are only blowing hot air, as usual. QED
Wow. So now when you can't refute someone, you resort to DELETING the
portion of the text that exceeds your understanding? Is there no end
to your dishonesty?
I put it back for you. You're welcome.
I will repeat it for a fourth time. Maybe you'll get it this time,
moron.
You wrote this IDIOTIC sentence: "Horseback riding is only dangerous
when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians."
That is true.
Congratulations! That's the first time you were able to follow the
thread. Now, if only you could learn to read...
Post by Mike Vandeman
 That is CLEARLY a lie; you
Post by Shraga
were caught, and now you are AFRAID to address it.
That is what I'm addressing here. Not helmets, moron. You are
desperately trying to change the subject to something you think you
can refute, but it won't work. All you're doing is proving you can't
follow a simple conversation.
You can't address your own comment honestly. That proves you lied.
QED, idiot.
You proved NOTHING.
Blah, blah blah. Your lack of a reasoned response shows otherwise. You
haven't been able to muster a coherent response yet; so your denial is
baseless. Senility is apparently getting the best of you.
In 1937 Cole Porter was crippled in a riding accident. How did a
mountain biker endanger Cole Porter?
Here, again, since you are afraid to read it, is the article from
http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40/n6/full/3101280a.html#tbl7
In light of those examples, address your moronic statement that,
"Horseback riding is only dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger
equestrians."
And by "address", I mean act like a grown up, not like a pouting child
whose most sophisticated response is "did not!" or similar pathetic
denial.
Of course you won't, because you can't.
I guess you didn't actually READ the article you cited: "The most
serious injuries occur during the jumping phase". It is talking about
COMPETITION, which we aren't discussing. We are discussing normal
trail riding, which is NOT dangerous, except when mountain bikers are
on the trail. QED DUH! Flail about as much as you want, and cite
irrelevant articles, but you still can't refute me, because, as you
werll know, I am RIGHT! As usual.
Len McGoogle
2012-03-20 21:46:51 UTC
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You are an idiot, like ALL mountain bikers. Horseback riding is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians. You are fooling
no one except yourself.
The fact that you are doubling down on this ridiculous claim is more
proof of your insanity.
http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40/n6/full/3101280a.html#tbl7
Although I know it's a challenge, try to pay close attention to Table
7, which lists the "causative factors." The types of equestrian
activities listed as a "causation" (i.e., "causes" of the injuries)
include "racing, course racing, show jumping, dressage, horse trials
and eventing, rodeo events and polo" among others.
While you may not support these activities, they do, in fact, involve
"horseback riding" and, as the article shows, do result in injuries.
So, please explain how mountain bikers endanger equestrians during
dressage events. And when you're done with that, please post the
evidence that proves that these injuries NEVER occurred prior to the
existence of mountain bikers.
As I said, any sport that requires a helmet is insane. What part of
that don't you understand? Mountain biking seems to be the most
dangerous of those, judging by the number & severity of accidents..
That's not what my response is addressing, idiot. Learn to READ.
What you wrote, liar, and now refuse to address is, "Horseback riding
is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians."
I proved the contrary, and you are to much of a coward to admit it.
BS. You only proved that equestrians sometimes use helmets, NOT that
they are REQUIRED. Learn to READ, idiot.
Odd. I apparently mistook you for someone with an IQ above room-
temperature. I OBVIOUSLY showed you that equestrians sustain injuries
independent of mountain biker activity. Yet now you are going on about
helmets. You are just like a politician responding at a debate...
Someone asks you a question, and you provide an answer that has
nothing to do with it.
You wrote: "Horseback riding is only dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS
endanger equestrians." That is CLEARLY a lie; you were caught, and now
you are AFRAID to address it.
Nope. True. You have proved nothing.
That's a childish claim, considering you can't refute what I wrote.
It's also a typical politician's response. I backed you into a corner
and you have nothing left but a baseless denial. The evidence that
equestrians sustain injuries independent of mountain biker activity is
in that Nature reference for everyone to see... Well, everyone but
YOU, I guess, since you can't read.
There's nothing to refute, since you never proved that horseback
riding is so dangerous that it REQUIRES one to wear a helmet. Until
you do that, you are only blowing hot air, as usual. QED
Wow. So now when you can't refute someone, you resort to DELETING the
portion of the text that exceeds your understanding? Is there no end
to your dishonesty?
I put it back for you. You're welcome.
I will repeat it for a fourth time. Maybe you'll get it this time,
moron.
You wrote this IDIOTIC sentence: "Horseback riding is only dangerous
when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians."
That is true.
Congratulations! That's the first time you were able to follow the
thread. Now, if only you could learn to read...
Post by Mike Vandeman
 That is CLEARLY a lie; you
Post by Shraga
were caught, and now you are AFRAID to address it.
That is what I'm addressing here. Not helmets, moron. You are
desperately trying to change the subject to something you think you
can refute, but it won't work. All you're doing is proving you can't
follow a simple conversation.
You can't address your own comment honestly. That proves you lied.
QED, idiot.
You proved NOTHING.
Blah, blah blah. Your lack of a reasoned response shows otherwise. You
haven't been able to muster a coherent response yet; so your denial is
baseless. Senility is apparently getting the best of you.
In 1937 Cole Porter was crippled in a riding accident. How did a
mountain biker endanger Cole Porter?
Here, again, since you are afraid to read it, is the article from
http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40/n6/full/3101280a.html#tbl7
In light of those examples, address your moronic statement that,
"Horseback riding is only dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger
equestrians."
And by "address", I mean act like a grown up, not like a pouting child
whose most sophisticated response is "did not!" or similar pathetic
denial.
Of course you won't, because you can't.
I guess you didn't actually READ the article you cited: "The most
serious injuries occur during the jumping phase". It is talking about
COMPETITION, which we aren't discussing. We are discussing normal
trail riding, which is NOT dangerous, except when mountain bikers are
on the trail. QED DUH! Flail about as much as you want, and cite
irrelevant articles, but you still can't refute me, because, as you
werll know, I am RIGHT! As usual.
Normal mountain biking isn't competition either, thus it does NOT
require special equipment negating this entire thread you started. You
can't refute that.
Mike Vandeman
2012-03-22 06:04:22 UTC
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Post by Shraga
Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Shraga
Post by Mike Vandeman
You are an idiot, like ALL mountain bikers. Horseback riding is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians. You are fooling
no one except yourself.
The fact that you are doubling down on this ridiculous claim is more
proof of your insanity.
http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40/n6/full/3101280a.html#tbl7
Although I know it's a challenge, try to pay close attention to Table
7, which lists the "causative factors." The types of equestrian
activities listed as a "causation" (i.e., "causes" of the injuries)
include "racing, course racing, show jumping, dressage, horse trials
and eventing, rodeo events and polo" among others.
While you may not support these activities, they do, in fact, involve
"horseback riding" and, as the article shows, do result in injuries.
So, please explain how mountain bikers endanger equestrians during
dressage events. And when you're done with that, please post the
evidence that proves that these injuries NEVER occurred prior to the
existence of mountain bikers.
As I said, any sport that requires a helmet is insane. What part of
that don't you understand? Mountain biking seems to be the most
dangerous of those, judging by the number & severity of accidents..
That's not what my response is addressing, idiot. Learn to READ.
What you wrote, liar, and now refuse to address is, "Horseback riding
is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians."
I proved the contrary, and you are to much of a coward to admit it.
BS. You only proved that equestrians sometimes use helmets, NOT that
they are REQUIRED. Learn to READ, idiot.
Odd. I apparently mistook you for someone with an IQ above room-
temperature. I OBVIOUSLY showed you that equestrians sustain injuries
independent of mountain biker activity. Yet now you are going on about
helmets. You are just like a politician responding at a debate...
Someone asks you a question, and you provide an answer that has
nothing to do with it.
You wrote: "Horseback riding is only dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS
endanger equestrians." That is CLEARLY a lie; you were caught, and now
you are AFRAID to address it.
Nope. True. You have proved nothing.
That's a childish claim, considering you can't refute what I wrote.
It's also a typical politician's response. I backed you into a corner
and you have nothing left but a baseless denial. The evidence that
equestrians sustain injuries independent of mountain biker activity is
in that Nature reference for everyone to see... Well, everyone but
YOU, I guess, since you can't read.
There's nothing to refute, since you never proved that horseback
riding is so dangerous that it REQUIRES one to wear a helmet. Until
you do that, you are only blowing hot air, as usual. QED
Wow. So now when you can't refute someone, you resort to DELETING the
portion of the text that exceeds your understanding? Is there no end
to your dishonesty?
I put it back for you. You're welcome.
I will repeat it for a fourth time. Maybe you'll get it this time,
moron.
You wrote this IDIOTIC sentence: "Horseback riding is only dangerous
when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians."
That is true.
Congratulations! That's the first time you were able to follow the
thread. Now, if only you could learn to read...
Post by Mike Vandeman
 That is CLEARLY a lie; you
Post by Shraga
were caught, and now you are AFRAID to address it.
That is what I'm addressing here. Not helmets, moron. You are
desperately trying to change the subject to something you think you
can refute, but it won't work. All you're doing is proving you can't
follow a simple conversation.
You can't address your own comment honestly. That proves you lied.
QED, idiot.
You proved NOTHING.
Blah, blah blah. Your lack of a reasoned response shows otherwise. You
haven't been able to muster a coherent response yet; so your denial is
baseless. Senility is apparently getting the best of you.
In 1937 Cole Porter was crippled in a riding accident. How did a
mountain biker endanger Cole Porter?
Here, again, since you are afraid to read it, is the article from
http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40/n6/full/3101280a.html#tbl7
In light of those examples, address your moronic statement that,
"Horseback riding is only dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger
equestrians."
And by "address", I mean act like a grown up, not like a pouting child
whose most sophisticated response is "did not!" or similar pathetic
denial.
Of course you won't, because you can't.
I guess you didn't actually READ the article you cited: "The most
serious injuries occur during the jumping phase". It is talking about
COMPETITION, which we aren't discussing. We are discussing normal
trail riding, which is NOT dangerous, except when mountain bikers are
on the trail. QED DUH! Flail about as much as you want, and cite
irrelevant articles, but you still can't refute me, because, as you
werll know, I am RIGHT! As usual.
Normal mountain biking isn't competition either, thus it does NOT
require special equipment negating this entire thread you started. You
can't refute that.
You can refute it by not wearing any helmet. Let us know how that
goes! Idiot.

Shraga
2012-03-21 16:35:41 UTC
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Post by Shraga
Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Shraga
Post by Mike Vandeman
You are an idiot, like ALL mountain bikers. Horseback riding is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians. You are fooling
no one except yourself.
The fact that you are doubling down on this ridiculous claim is more
proof of your insanity.
http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40/n6/full/3101280a.html#tbl7
Although I know it's a challenge, try to pay close attention to Table
7, which lists the "causative factors." The types of equestrian
activities listed as a "causation" (i.e., "causes" of the injuries)
include "racing, course racing, show jumping, dressage, horse trials
and eventing, rodeo events and polo" among others.
While you may not support these activities, they do, in fact, involve
"horseback riding" and, as the article shows, do result in injuries.
So, please explain how mountain bikers endanger equestrians during
dressage events. And when you're done with that, please post the
evidence that proves that these injuries NEVER occurred prior to the
existence of mountain bikers.
As I said, any sport that requires a helmet is insane. What part of
that don't you understand? Mountain biking seems to be the most
dangerous of those, judging by the number & severity of accidents..
That's not what my response is addressing, idiot. Learn to READ.
What you wrote, liar, and now refuse to address is, "Horseback riding
is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians."
I proved the contrary, and you are to much of a coward to admit it.
BS. You only proved that equestrians sometimes use helmets, NOT that
they are REQUIRED. Learn to READ, idiot.
Odd. I apparently mistook you for someone with an IQ above room-
temperature. I OBVIOUSLY showed you that equestrians sustain injuries
independent of mountain biker activity. Yet now you are going on about
helmets. You are just like a politician responding at a debate...
Someone asks you a question, and you provide an answer that has
nothing to do with it.
You wrote: "Horseback riding is only dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS
endanger equestrians." That is CLEARLY a lie; you were caught, and now
you are AFRAID to address it.
Nope. True. You have proved nothing.
That's a childish claim, considering you can't refute what I wrote.
It's also a typical politician's response. I backed you into a corner
and you have nothing left but a baseless denial. The evidence that
equestrians sustain injuries independent of mountain biker activity is
in that Nature reference for everyone to see... Well, everyone but
YOU, I guess, since you can't read.
There's nothing to refute, since you never proved that horseback
riding is so dangerous that it REQUIRES one to wear a helmet. Until
you do that, you are only blowing hot air, as usual. QED
Wow. So now when you can't refute someone, you resort to DELETING the
portion of the text that exceeds your understanding? Is there no end
to your dishonesty?
I put it back for you. You're welcome.
I will repeat it for a fourth time. Maybe you'll get it this time,
moron.
You wrote this IDIOTIC sentence: "Horseback riding is only dangerous
when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians."
That is true.
Congratulations! That's the first time you were able to follow the
thread. Now, if only you could learn to read...
Post by Mike Vandeman
 That is CLEARLY a lie; you
Post by Shraga
were caught, and now you are AFRAID to address it.
That is what I'm addressing here. Not helmets, moron. You are
desperately trying to change the subject to something you think you
can refute, but it won't work. All you're doing is proving you can't
follow a simple conversation.
You can't address your own comment honestly. That proves you lied.
QED, idiot.
You proved NOTHING.
Blah, blah blah. Your lack of a reasoned response shows otherwise. You
haven't been able to muster a coherent response yet; so your denial is
baseless. Senility is apparently getting the best of you.
In 1937 Cole Porter was crippled in a riding accident. How did a
mountain biker endanger Cole Porter?
Here, again, since you are afraid to read it, is the article from
http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40/n6/full/3101280a.html#tbl7
In light of those examples, address your moronic statement that,
"Horseback riding is only dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger
equestrians."
And by "address", I mean act like a grown up, not like a pouting child
whose most sophisticated response is "did not!" or similar pathetic
denial.
Of course you won't, because you can't.
I guess you didn't actually READ the article you cited: "The most
serious injuries occur during the jumping phase". It is talking about
COMPETITION, which we aren't discussing. We are discussing normal
trail riding, which is NOT dangerous, except when mountain bikers are
on the trail. QED DUH! Flail about as much as you want, and cite
irrelevant articles, but you still can't refute me, because, as you
werll know, I am RIGHT! As usual.
No, Mike, I do not "werll know" you're right. As usual, you are cherry-
picking the small bits of the article that make your case and ignore
the ones that don't. For example, the article also cites a study based
on analysis of 1,000 riding accident hospital admissions, which found
"one injury for 100 h of leisure riding."

See that, moron? LEISURE riding. Still want to claim the article is
about competition?

I really feel sorry for you now. It's taken you over a week to try to
read that article, and still you can't do it. Your existence is
insulting to everyone who has earned a Ph.D.

Regardless, you are STILL trying to change the subject. And you are
STILL HIDING from the other responses I've provided, which you can't
refute.

Again, you stated "horseback riding is *only* dangerous when MOUNTAIN
BIKERS endanger equestrians" [emphasis mine]. Since making that
ridiculous claim, you backed off a little and have revised that
statement to include a minuscule subset of "horseback riding" called
"normal trail riding." Whatever that is... Still, I'll let it go
because of your remedial reading skills.

Now, using available literature, prove that "normal trail riding" was
not dangerous before the existence of mountain biking.

Prediction: you won't, because you can't.
Len McGoogle
2012-03-09 20:52:28 UTC
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Post by Shraga
Post by Mike Vandeman
You are an idiot, like ALL mountain bikers. Horseback riding is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians. You are fooling
no one except yourself.
The fact that you are doubling down on this ridiculous claim is more
proof of your insanity.
http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40/n6/full/3101280a.html#tbl7
Although I know it's a challenge, try to pay close attention to Table
7, which lists the "causative factors." The types of equestrian
activities listed as a "causation" (i.e., "causes" of the injuries)
include "racing, course racing, show jumping, dressage, horse trials
and eventing, rodeo events and polo" among others.
While you may not support these activities, they do, in fact, involve
"horseback riding" and, as the article shows, do result in injuries.
So, please explain how mountain bikers endanger equestrians during
dressage events. And when you're done with that, please post the
evidence that proves that these injuries NEVER occurred prior to the
existence of mountain bikers.
As I said, any sport that requires a helmet is insane. What part of
that don't you understand? Mountain biking seems to be the most
dangerous of those, judging by the number & severity of accidents..
That's not what my response is addressing, idiot. Learn to READ.
What you wrote, liar, and now refuse to address is, "Horseback riding
is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians."
I proved the contrary, and you are to much of a coward to admit it.
BS. You only proved that equestrians sometimes use helmets, NOT that
they are REQUIRED. Learn to READ, idiot.
Odd. I apparently mistook you for someone with an IQ above room-
temperature. I OBVIOUSLY showed you that equestrians sustain injuries
independent of mountain biker activity. Yet now you are going on about
helmets. You are just like a politician responding at a debate...
Someone asks you a question, and you provide an answer that has
nothing to do with it.
You wrote: "Horseback riding is only dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS
endanger equestrians." That is CLEARLY a lie; you were caught, and now
you are AFRAID to address it.
Nope. True. You have proved nothing.
That's a childish claim, considering you can't refute what I wrote.
There's nothing to refute, since you never proved that horseback
riding is so dangerous that it REQUIRES one to wear a helmet. Until
you do that, you are only blowing hot air, as usual. QED
The International Federation for Equestrian Sports REQUIRES helmets
for competition.

The United States Equestrian Federation REQUIRES all riders to wear
certified helmets while competing in Hunter, Jumpers, and Hunt Seat
Equitation classes, and in any other class, including Hunter Hack,
where jumping is required.

Florida REQUIRES ALL riders under 16 to wear a helmet while horseback
riding.

New York REQUIRES ALL riders under 14 to wear a helmet for horseback
riding.
Mike Vandeman
2012-03-09 21:29:23 UTC
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Post by Shraga
Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Shraga
Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Shraga
Post by Mike Vandeman
You are an idiot, like ALL mountain bikers. Horseback riding is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians. You are fooling
no one except yourself.
The fact that you are doubling down on this ridiculous claim is more
proof of your insanity.
http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40/n6/full/3101280a.html#tbl7
Although I know it's a challenge, try to pay close attention to Table
7, which lists the "causative factors." The types of equestrian
activities listed as a "causation" (i.e., "causes" of the injuries)
include "racing, course racing, show jumping, dressage, horse trials
and eventing, rodeo events and polo" among others.
While you may not support these activities, they do, in fact, involve
"horseback riding" and, as the article shows, do result in injuries.
So, please explain how mountain bikers endanger equestrians during
dressage events. And when you're done with that, please post the
evidence that proves that these injuries NEVER occurred prior to the
existence of mountain bikers.
As I said, any sport that requires a helmet is insane. What part of
that don't you understand? Mountain biking seems to be the most
dangerous of those, judging by the number & severity of accidents..
That's not what my response is addressing, idiot. Learn to READ.
What you wrote, liar, and now refuse to address is, "Horseback riding
is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians."
I proved the contrary, and you are to much of a coward to admit it.
BS. You only proved that equestrians sometimes use helmets, NOT that
they are REQUIRED. Learn to READ, idiot.
Odd. I apparently mistook you for someone with an IQ above room-
temperature. I OBVIOUSLY showed you that equestrians sustain injuries
independent of mountain biker activity. Yet now you are going on about
helmets. You are just like a politician responding at a debate...
Someone asks you a question, and you provide an answer that has
nothing to do with it.
You wrote: "Horseback riding is only dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS
endanger equestrians." That is CLEARLY a lie; you were caught, and now
you are AFRAID to address it.
Nope. True. You have proved nothing.
That's a childish claim, considering you can't refute what I wrote.
There's nothing to refute, since you never proved that horseback
riding is so dangerous that it REQUIRES one to wear a helmet. Until
you do that, you are only blowing hot air, as usual. QED
The International Federation for Equestrian Sports REQUIRES helmets
for competition.
We aren't talking about competion, dum dum. We are talking about
normal riding on trails.
Post by Len McGoogle
The United States Equestrian Federation REQUIRES all riders to wear
certified helmets while competing in Hunter, Jumpers, and Hunt Seat
Equitation classes, and in any other class, including Hunter Hack,
where jumping is required.
We aren't talking about competion, dum dum. We are talking about
normal riding on trails.
Post by Len McGoogle
Florida REQUIRES ALL riders under 16 to wear a helmet while horseback
riding.
New York REQUIRES ALL riders under 14 to wear a helmet for horseback
riding.
We aren't talking about children, dum dum. We are talking about normal
riding on trails. But obviously, the majority of states don't think
horseback riding for kids is dangerous -- since it ISN'T. QED
Shraga
2012-03-09 22:15:12 UTC
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Post by Len McGoogle
The International Federation for Equestrian Sports REQUIRES helmets
for competition.
We aren't talking about competion, dum dum. We are talking about
normal riding on trails.
<snip>
Post by Mike Vandeman
We aren't talking about competion, dum dum. We are talking about
normal riding on trails.
On March 2, YOU wrote: "Any *sport* so extreme that it requires
special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!"

So yes, dum dum, we ARE talking about competition, because YOU brought
it up, dum dum.
Len McGoogle
2012-03-15 01:15:30 UTC
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You are an idiot, like ALL mountain bikers. Horseback riding is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians. You are fooling
no one except yourself.
The fact that you are doubling down on this ridiculous claim is more
proof of your insanity.
http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40/n6/full/3101280a.html#tbl7
Although I know it's a challenge, try to pay close attention to Table
7, which lists the "causative factors." The types of equestrian
activities listed as a "causation" (i.e., "causes" of the injuries)
include "racing, course racing, show jumping, dressage, horse trials
and eventing, rodeo events and polo" among others.
While you may not support these activities, they do, in fact, involve
"horseback riding" and, as the article shows, do result in injuries.
So, please explain how mountain bikers endanger equestrians during
dressage events. And when you're done with that, please post the
evidence that proves that these injuries NEVER occurred prior to the
existence of mountain bikers.
As I said, any sport that requires a helmet is insane. What part of
that don't you understand? Mountain biking seems to be the most
dangerous of those, judging by the number & severity of accidents..
That's not what my response is addressing, idiot. Learn to READ.
What you wrote, liar, and now refuse to address is, "Horseback riding
is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians."
I proved the contrary, and you are to much of a coward to admit it.
BS. You only proved that equestrians sometimes use helmets, NOT that
they are REQUIRED. Learn to READ, idiot.
Odd. I apparently mistook you for someone with an IQ above room-
temperature. I OBVIOUSLY showed you that equestrians sustain injuries
independent of mountain biker activity. Yet now you are going on about
helmets. You are just like a politician responding at a debate...
Someone asks you a question, and you provide an answer that has
nothing to do with it.
You wrote: "Horseback riding is only dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS
endanger equestrians." That is CLEARLY a lie; you were caught, and now
you are AFRAID to address it.
Nope. True. You have proved nothing.
That's a childish claim, considering you can't refute what I wrote.
There's nothing to refute, since you never proved that horseback
riding is so dangerous that it REQUIRES one to wear a helmet. Until
you do that, you are only blowing hot air, as usual. QED
The International Federation for Equestrian Sports REQUIRES helmets
for competition.
We aren't talking about competion, dum dum. We are talking about
normal riding on trails.
Post by Len McGoogle
The United States Equestrian Federation REQUIRES all riders to wear
certified helmets while competing in Hunter, Jumpers, and Hunt Seat
Equitation classes, and in any other class, including Hunter Hack,
where jumping is required.
We aren't talking about competion, dum dum. We are talking about
normal riding on trails.
Normal mountain biking isn't competition either, thus it does NOT
require special equipment negating this entire thread you started.
Mike Vandeman
2012-03-15 03:50:33 UTC
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You are an idiot, like ALL mountain bikers. Horseback riding is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians. You are fooling
no one except yourself.
The fact that you are doubling down on this ridiculous claim is more
proof of your insanity.
http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40/n6/full/3101280a.html#tbl7
Although I know it's a challenge, try to pay close attention to Table
7, which lists the "causative factors." The types of equestrian
activities listed as a "causation" (i.e., "causes" of the injuries)
include "racing, course racing, show jumping, dressage, horse trials
and eventing, rodeo events and polo" among others.
While you may not support these activities, they do, in fact, involve
"horseback riding" and, as the article shows, do result in injuries.
So, please explain how mountain bikers endanger equestrians during
dressage events. And when you're done with that, please post the
evidence that proves that these injuries NEVER occurred prior to the
existence of mountain bikers.
As I said, any sport that requires a helmet is insane. What part of
that don't you understand? Mountain biking seems to be the most
dangerous of those, judging by the number & severity of accidents..
That's not what my response is addressing, idiot. Learn to READ.
What you wrote, liar, and now refuse to address is, "Horseback riding
is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians."
I proved the contrary, and you are to much of a coward to admit it.
BS. You only proved that equestrians sometimes use helmets, NOT that
they are REQUIRED. Learn to READ, idiot.
Odd. I apparently mistook you for someone with an IQ above room-
temperature. I OBVIOUSLY showed you that equestrians sustain injuries
independent of mountain biker activity. Yet now you are going on about
helmets. You are just like a politician responding at a debate...
Someone asks you a question, and you provide an answer that has
nothing to do with it.
You wrote: "Horseback riding is only dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS
endanger equestrians." That is CLEARLY a lie; you were caught, and now
you are AFRAID to address it.
Nope. True. You have proved nothing.
That's a childish claim, considering you can't refute what I wrote.
There's nothing to refute, since you never proved that horseback
riding is so dangerous that it REQUIRES one to wear a helmet. Until
you do that, you are only blowing hot air, as usual. QED
The International Federation for Equestrian Sports REQUIRES helmets
for competition.
We aren't talking about competion, dum dum. We are talking about
normal riding on trails.
Post by Len McGoogle
The United States Equestrian Federation REQUIRES all riders to wear
certified helmets while competing in Hunter, Jumpers, and Hunt Seat
Equitation classes, and in any other class, including Hunter Hack,
where jumping is required.
We aren't talking about competion, dum dum. We are talking about
normal riding on trails.
Normal mountain biking isn't competition either, thus it does NOT
require special equipment negating this entire thread you started.
Good. Then I hope you never wear a helmet, since it "isn't required".
Idiot.
Len McGoogle
2012-03-15 18:12:29 UTC
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You are an idiot, like ALL mountain bikers. Horseback riding is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians. You are fooling
no one except yourself.
The fact that you are doubling down on this ridiculous claim is more
proof of your insanity.
http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40/n6/full/3101280a.html#tbl7
Although I know it's a challenge, try to pay close attention to Table
7, which lists the "causative factors." The types of equestrian
activities listed as a "causation" (i.e., "causes" of the injuries)
include "racing, course racing, show jumping, dressage, horse trials
and eventing, rodeo events and polo" among others.
While you may not support these activities, they do, in fact, involve
"horseback riding" and, as the article shows, do result in injuries.
So, please explain how mountain bikers endanger equestrians during
dressage events. And when you're done with that, please post the
evidence that proves that these injuries NEVER occurred prior to the
existence of mountain bikers.
As I said, any sport that requires a helmet is insane. What part of
that don't you understand? Mountain biking seems to be the most
dangerous of those, judging by the number & severity of accidents..
That's not what my response is addressing, idiot. Learn to READ.
What you wrote, liar, and now refuse to address is, "Horseback riding
is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians."
I proved the contrary, and you are to much of a coward to admit it.
BS. You only proved that equestrians sometimes use helmets, NOT that
they are REQUIRED. Learn to READ, idiot.
Odd. I apparently mistook you for someone with an IQ above room-
temperature. I OBVIOUSLY showed you that equestrians sustain injuries
independent of mountain biker activity. Yet now you are going on about
helmets. You are just like a politician responding at a debate...
Someone asks you a question, and you provide an answer that has
nothing to do with it.
You wrote: "Horseback riding is only dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS
endanger equestrians." That is CLEARLY a lie; you were caught, and now
you are AFRAID to address it.
Nope. True. You have proved nothing.
That's a childish claim, considering you can't refute what I wrote.
There's nothing to refute, since you never proved that horseback
riding is so dangerous that it REQUIRES one to wear a helmet. Until
you do that, you are only blowing hot air, as usual. QED
The International Federation for Equestrian Sports REQUIRES helmets
for competition.
We aren't talking about competion, dum dum. We are talking about
normal riding on trails.
Post by Len McGoogle
The United States Equestrian Federation REQUIRES all riders to wear
certified helmets while competing in Hunter, Jumpers, and Hunt Seat
Equitation classes, and in any other class, including Hunter Hack,
where jumping is required.
We aren't talking about competion, dum dum. We are talking about
normal riding on trails.
Normal mountain biking isn't competition either, thus it does NOT
require special equipment negating this entire thread you started.
Good. Then I hope you never wear a helmet, since it "isn't required".
Idiot.
I won't because I don't mountain bike, moron.
Mike Vandeman
2012-03-09 23:16:31 UTC
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You are an idiot, like ALL mountain bikers. Horseback riding is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians. You are fooling
no one except yourself.
The fact that you are doubling down on this ridiculous claim is more
proof of your insanity.
http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40/n6/full/3101280a.html#tbl7
Although I know it's a challenge, try to pay close attention to Table
7, which lists the "causative factors." The types of equestrian
activities listed as a "causation" (i.e., "causes" of the injuries)
include "racing, course racing, show jumping, dressage, horse trials
and eventing, rodeo events and polo" among others.
While you may not support these activities, they do, in fact, involve
"horseback riding" and, as the article shows, do result in injuries.
So, please explain how mountain bikers endanger equestrians during
dressage events. And when you're done with that, please post the
evidence that proves that these injuries NEVER occurred prior to the
existence of mountain bikers.
As I said, any sport that requires a helmet is insane. What part of
that don't you understand? Mountain biking seems to be the most
dangerous of those, judging by the number & severity of accidents..
That's not what my response is addressing, idiot. Learn to READ.
What you wrote, liar, and now refuse to address is, "Horseback riding
is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians."
I proved the contrary, and you are to much of a coward to admit it.
BS. You only proved that equestrians sometimes use helmets, NOT that
they are REQUIRED. Learn to READ, idiot.
Odd. I apparently mistook you for someone with an IQ above room-
temperature. I OBVIOUSLY showed you that equestrians sustain injuries
independent of mountain biker activity. Yet now you are going on about
helmets. You are just like a politician responding at a debate...
Someone asks you a question, and you provide an answer that has
nothing to do with it.
You wrote: "Horseback riding is only dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS
endanger equestrians." That is CLEARLY a lie; you were caught, and now
you are AFRAID to address it.
Nope. True. You have proved nothing.
That's a childish claim, considering you can't refute what I wrote.
There's nothing to refute, since you never proved that horseback
riding is so dangerous that it REQUIRES one to wear a helmet. Until
you do that, you are only blowing hot air, as usual. QED
The International Federation for Equestrian Sports REQUIRES helmets
for competition.
The United States Equestrian Federation REQUIRES all riders to wear
certified helmets while competing in Hunter, Jumpers, and Hunt Seat
Equitation classes, and in any other class, including Hunter Hack,
where jumping is required.
Florida REQUIRES ALL riders under 16 to wear a helmet while horseback
riding.
New York REQUIRES ALL riders under 14 to wear a helmet for horseback
riding.
We are talking about trail riding, NOT competitive racing, idiot. The
fact that the vast majority of the states don't consider horseback
riding dangerous for kids says it all. QED
Mike Vandeman
2012-03-13 00:30:52 UTC
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I agree, it is selfish to force an animal to carry and be controlled
by some fat human. Together we can free horses from this dangerous,
destructive pastime.
The easiest way to make horseback riding safer is to restrict bikes to
paved roads.
We'll work on that later.
For now, you and I need to spread the word that riding horses is
"pretty stupid, kind of like the people who practice it".
Obviously, that's not what I said, liar.
Mike, don't be so modest, that's exactly what you said. You said ANY
sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!
Don't worry, I'll make sure you get all the credit.
You are an idiot, like ALL mountain bikers. Horseback riding is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians. You are fooling
no one except yourself.
The fact that you are doubling down on this ridiculous claim is more
proof of your insanity.
http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40/n6/full/3101280a.html#tbl7
Although I know it's a challenge, try to pay close attention to Table
7, which lists the "causative factors." The types of equestrian
activities listed as a "causation" (i.e., "causes" of the injuries)
include "racing, course racing, show jumping, dressage, horse trials
and eventing, rodeo events and polo" among others.
While you may not support these activities, they do, in fact, involve
"horseback riding" and, as the article shows, do result in injuries.
So, please explain how mountain bikers endanger equestrians during
dressage events. And when you're done with that, please post the
evidence that proves that these injuries NEVER occurred prior to the
existence of mountain bikers.
Furthermore, here is a helpful list of protective equipment
http://www.hughston.com/hha/a.horse.htm- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Irrelevant. We are discussing trail riding, not competition. Trail
riding is only made dangerous by mountain bikers. I know you'd rather
change the subject, because you were caught LYING -- the mountain
bikers' stock in trade. Mountain biking requires a helmet because it
is inherently dangerous. Horseback riding is NOT inherently dangerous.
Horses are smarter than mountain bikers, and don't seek out dangerous
situations, as mountain bikers DO. Face the FACTS, dumdum.
Bob Berger
2012-03-13 02:51:18 UTC
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Mike Vandeman says...
Post by Len McGoogle
Post by Shraga
Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Len McGoogle
Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Len McGoogle
I agree, it is selfish to force an animal to carry and be con=
trolled
Post by Shraga
Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Len McGoogle
Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Len McGoogle
by some fat human. Together we can free horses from this dang=
erous,
Post by Shraga
Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Len McGoogle
Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Len McGoogle
destructive pastime.
The easiest way to make horseback riding safer is to restrict b=
ikes to
Post by Shraga
Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Len McGoogle
Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Len McGoogle
paved roads.
We'll work on that later.
For now, you and I need to spread the word that riding horses is
"pretty stupid, kind of like the people who practice it".
Obviously, that's not what I said, liar.
Mike, don't be so modest, that's exactly what you said. You said ANY
sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!
Don't worry, I'll make sure you get all the credit.
You are an idiot, like ALL mountain bikers. Horseback riding is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians. You are fooling
no one except yourself.
The fact that you are doubling down on this ridiculous claim is more
proof of your insanity.
http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40/n6/full/3101280a.html#tbl7
Although I know it's a challenge, try to pay close attention to Table
7, which lists the "causative factors." The types of equestrian
activities listed as a "causation" (i.e., "causes" of the injuries)
include "racing, course racing, show jumping, dressage, horse trials
and eventing, rodeo events and polo" among others.
While you may not support these activities, they do, in fact, involve
"horseback riding" and, as the article shows, do result in injuries.
So, please explain how mountain bikers endanger equestrians during
dressage events. And when you're done with that, please post the
evidence that proves that these injuries NEVER occurred prior to the
existence of mountain bikers.
Furthermore, here is a helpful list of protective equipment
http://www.hughston.com/hha/a.horse.htm- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Irrelevant. We are discussing trail riding, not competition. Trail
riding is only made dangerous by mountain bikers.
Mike, read the book "Death In Yellowstone" by Lee H. Whittlesey. The author has
included an entire chapter on horse related human deaths in the park; and in it,
mountain bikers aren't mentioned once.
Post by Len McGoogle
I know you'd rather
change the subject, because you were caught LYING -- the mountain
bikers' stock in trade. Mountain biking requires a helmet because it
is inherently dangerous. Horseback riding is NOT inherently dangerous.
Horses are smarter than mountain bikers, and don't seek out dangerous
situations, as mountain bikers DO. Face the FACTS, dumdum.
Mike Vandeman
2012-03-13 07:11:48 UTC
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Mike Vandeman says...
Post by Len McGoogle
Post by Shraga
Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Len McGoogle
Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Len McGoogle
I agree, it is selfish to force an animal to carry and be con=
trolled
Post by Shraga
Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Len McGoogle
Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Len McGoogle
by some fat human. Together we can free horses from this dang=
erous,
Post by Shraga
Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Len McGoogle
Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Len McGoogle
destructive pastime.
The easiest way to make horseback riding safer is to restrict b=
ikes to
Post by Shraga
Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Len McGoogle
Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Len McGoogle
paved roads.
We'll work on that later.
For now, you and I need to spread the word that riding horses is
"pretty stupid, kind of like the people who practice it".
Obviously, that's not what I said, liar.
Mike, don't be so modest, that's exactly what you said. You said ANY
sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!
Don't worry, I'll make sure you get all the credit.
You are an idiot, like ALL mountain bikers. Horseback riding is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians. You are fooling
no one except yourself.
The fact that you are doubling down on this ridiculous claim is more
proof of your insanity.
http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40/n6/full/3101280a.html#tbl7
Although I know it's a challenge, try to pay close attention to Table
7, which lists the "causative factors." The types of equestrian
activities listed as a "causation" (i.e., "causes" of the injuries)
include "racing, course racing, show jumping, dressage, horse trials
and eventing, rodeo events and polo" among others.
While you may not support these activities, they do, in fact, involve
"horseback riding" and, as the article shows, do result in injuries.
So, please explain how mountain bikers endanger equestrians during
dressage events. And when you're done with that, please post the
evidence that proves that these injuries NEVER occurred prior to the
existence of mountain bikers.
Furthermore, here is a helpful list of protective equipment
http://www.hughston.com/hha/a.horse.htm-Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Irrelevant. We are discussing trail riding, not competition. Trail
riding is only made dangerous by mountain bikers.
Mike, read the book "Death In Yellowstone" by Lee H. Whittlesey. The author has
included an entire chapter on horse related human deaths in the park; and in it,
mountain bikers aren't mentioned once.
Post by Len McGoogle
I know you'd rather
change the subject, because you were caught LYING -- the mountain
bikers' stock in trade. Mountain biking requires a helmet because it
is inherently dangerous. Horseback riding is NOT inherently dangerous.
Horses are smarter than mountain bikers, and don't seek out dangerous
situations, as mountain bikers DO. Face the FACTS, dumdum.
Because mountain biking isn't allowed in the park. DUH! ALL parks
should be like that. You guys are too easy.
Bob Berger
2012-03-13 22:16:00 UTC
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Mike Vandeman says...
Post by Bob Berger
s.com>,
Post by Bob Berger
Mike Vandeman says...
Post by Len McGoogle
Post by Shraga
Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Len McGoogle
I agree, it is selfish to force an animal to carry and be =
con=3D
Post by Bob Berger
Post by Len McGoogle
trolled
Post by Shraga
Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Len McGoogle
by some fat human. Together we can free horses from this d=
ang=3D
Post by Bob Berger
Post by Len McGoogle
erous,
Post by Shraga
Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Len McGoogle
destructive pastime.
The easiest way to make horseback riding safer is to restric=
t b=3D
Post by Bob Berger
Post by Len McGoogle
ikes to
Post by Shraga
Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Len McGoogle
paved roads.
We'll work on that later.
For now, you and I need to spread the word that riding horses =
is
Post by Bob Berger
Post by Len McGoogle
Post by Shraga
Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Len McGoogle
"pretty stupid, kind of like the people who practice it".
Obviously, that's not what I said, liar.
Mike, don't be so modest, that's exactly what you said. You said A=
NY
Post by Bob Berger
Post by Len McGoogle
Post by Shraga
Post by Mike Vandeman
sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!
Don't worry, I'll make sure you get all the credit.
You are an idiot, like ALL mountain bikers. Horseback riding is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians. You are fooling
no one except yourself.
The fact that you are doubling down on this ridiculous claim is more
proof of your insanity.
http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40/n6/full/3101280a.html#tbl7
Although I know it's a challenge, try to pay close attention to Table
7, which lists the "causative factors." The types of equestrian
activities listed as a "causation" (i.e., "causes" of the injuries)
include "racing, course racing, show jumping, dressage, horse trials
and eventing, rodeo events and polo" among others.
While you may not support these activities, they do, in fact, involve
"horseback riding" and, as the article shows, do result in injuries.
So, please explain how mountain bikers endanger equestrians during
dressage events. And when you're done with that, please post the
evidence that proves that these injuries NEVER occurred prior to the
existence of mountain bikers.
Furthermore, here is a helpful list of protective equipment
http://www.hughston.com/hha/a.horse.htm-Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Irrelevant. We are discussing trail riding, not competition. Trail
riding is only made dangerous by mountain bikers.
Mike, read the book "Death In Yellowstone" by Lee H. Whittlesey. The
author has included an entire chapter on horse related human deaths
in the park; and in it, mountain bikers aren't mentioned once.
Because mountain biking isn't allowed in the park. DUH! ALL parks
should be like that.
Thank you for accepting the validity of my statement. I gave you an
authoritative source for information about some of the dangers of horseback
trail riding. You did not dispute that source, and you even went so far as to
agree mountain biking was not a factor. Thus, you acknowledge that there are
dangers to horseback trail riders that are not associated with mountain bikers.

Therefore, your assertion that "Trail riding is only made dangerous by mountain
bikers" is falsified.
Post by Bob Berger
You guys are too easy.
We try to be in hopes you'll be able to understand what we're saying.
Mike Vandeman
2012-03-14 02:22:13 UTC
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Mike Vandeman says...
Post by Bob Berger
s.com>,
Post by Bob Berger
Mike Vandeman says...
Post by Len McGoogle
Post by Shraga
Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Len McGoogle
I agree, it is selfish to force an animal to carry and be =
con=3D
Post by Bob Berger
Post by Len McGoogle
trolled
Post by Shraga
Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Len McGoogle
by some fat human. Together we can free horses from this d=
ang=3D
Post by Bob Berger
Post by Len McGoogle
erous,
Post by Shraga
Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Len McGoogle
destructive pastime.
The easiest way to make horseback riding safer is to restric=
t b=3D
Post by Bob Berger
Post by Len McGoogle
ikes to
Post by Shraga
Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Len McGoogle
paved roads.
We'll work on that later.
For now, you and I need to spread the word that riding horses =
is
Post by Bob Berger
Post by Len McGoogle
Post by Shraga
Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Len McGoogle
"pretty stupid, kind of like the people who practice it".
Obviously, that's not what I said, liar.
Mike, don't be so modest, that's exactly what you said. You said A=
NY
Post by Bob Berger
Post by Len McGoogle
Post by Shraga
Post by Mike Vandeman
sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!
Don't worry, I'll make sure you get all the credit.
You are an idiot, like ALL mountain bikers. Horseback riding is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians. You are fooling
no one except yourself.
The fact that you are doubling down on this ridiculous claim is more
proof of your insanity.
http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40/n6/full/3101280a.html#tbl7
Although I know it's a challenge, try to pay close attention to Table
7, which lists the "causative factors." The types of equestrian
activities listed as a "causation" (i.e., "causes" of the injuries)
include "racing, course racing, show jumping, dressage, horse trials
and eventing, rodeo events and polo" among others.
While you may not support these activities, they do, in fact, involve
"horseback riding" and, as the article shows, do result in injuries.
So, please explain how mountain bikers endanger equestrians during
dressage events. And when you're done with that, please post the
evidence that proves that these injuries NEVER occurred prior to the
existence of mountain bikers.
Furthermore, here is a helpful list of protective equipment
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Irrelevant. We are discussing trail riding, not competition. Trail
riding is only made dangerous by mountain bikers.
Mike, read the book "Death In Yellowstone" by Lee H. Whittlesey. The
author has included an entire chapter on horse related human deaths
in the park; and in it, mountain bikers aren't mentioned once.
Because mountain biking isn't allowed in the park. DUH! ALL parks
should be like that.
Thank you for accepting the validity of my statement. I gave you an
authoritative source for information about some of the dangers of horseback
trail riding. You did not dispute that source,
Only because I havent' read it. If I did, I'm positive I'd fnd that
you lied. As usual.

and you even went so far as to
Post by Bob Berger
agree mountain biking was not a factor. Thus, you acknowledge that there are
dangers to horseback trail riders that are not associated with mountain bikers.
Therefore, your assertion that "Trail riding is only made dangerous by mountain
bikers" is falsified.
Post by Bob Berger
You guys are too easy.
We try to be in hopes you'll be able to understand what we're saying.
Still waiting for your answer: Why can't mountain bikers EVER tell the
truth???
Len McGoogle
2012-03-15 01:17:32 UTC
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I agree, it is selfish to force an animal to carry and be controlled
by some fat human. Together we can free horses from this dangerous,
destructive pastime.
The easiest way to make horseback riding safer is to restrict bikes to
paved roads.
We'll work on that later.
For now, you and I need to spread the word that riding horses is
"pretty stupid, kind of like the people who practice it".
Obviously, that's not what I said, liar.
Mike, don't be so modest, that's exactly what you said. You said ANY
sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!
Don't worry, I'll make sure you get all the credit.
You are an idiot, like ALL mountain bikers. Horseback riding is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians. You are fooling
no one except yourself.
The fact that you are doubling down on this ridiculous claim is more
proof of your insanity.
http://www.nature.com/sc/journal/v40/n6/full/3101280a.html#tbl7
Although I know it's a challenge, try to pay close attention to Table
7, which lists the "causative factors." The types of equestrian
activities listed as a "causation" (i.e., "causes" of the injuries)
include "racing, course racing, show jumping, dressage, horse trials
and eventing, rodeo events and polo" among others.
While you may not support these activities, they do, in fact, involve
"horseback riding" and, as the article shows, do result in injuries.
So, please explain how mountain bikers endanger equestrians during
dressage events. And when you're done with that, please post the
evidence that proves that these injuries NEVER occurred prior to the
existence of mountain bikers.
Furthermore, here is a helpful list of protective equipment
http://www.hughston.com/hha/a.horse.htm-Hide quoted text -
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Irrelevant. We are discussing trail riding, not competition. Trail
riding is only made dangerous by mountain bikers. I know you'd rather
change the subject, because you were caught LYING -- the mountain
bikers' stock in trade. Mountain biking requires a helmet because it
is inherently dangerous. Horseback riding is NOT inherently dangerous.
Horses are smarter than mountain bikers, and don't seek out dangerous
situations, as mountain bikers DO. Face the FACTS, dumdum.
Mountain biking doesn't require any helmet, idiot.
Len McGoogle
2012-03-06 19:01:31 UTC
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Wilderness and Environmental Medicine, 6,385-390 (1995)
ORIGINAL ARTICLE
Do conventional bicycle helmets provide
adequate protection in mountain biking?
http://www.giro.com/us_en/products/cycling-helmets/dirt.htmlhttp://ww......
... etc.
Any sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!
Like the helmets equestrians wear? I agree.
No, you don't, liar, or you wouldn't be mountain biking. Why can't
mountain bikers EVER tell the truth about their selfish, destructive,
disgusting sport?
Thanks for agreeing that equestrians are stupid and looking out for
their safety. They wear helmets because they are trying to control a
big dumb animal and could become injured.
No, they wear helmets because mountain bikers are stupider than
horses, and frequently endanger wildlife and other trail users.
Mountain bikers are their own worst enemies (evolution in action)!
Thank you! Thank you!
I appreciate you joining me and bringing to light how dangerous riding
horses is. Your endorsement that "Any sport so extreme that it
requires special protective equipment is pretty stupid! Kind of like
the people who practice it!" is just the statement we need to save the
lives of equestrians.
I agree, it is selfish to force an animal to carry and be controlled
by some fat human. Together we can free horses from this dangerous,
destructive pastime.
The easiest way to make horseback riding safer is to restrict bikes to
paved roads.
We'll work on that later.
For now, you and I need to spread the word that riding horses is
"pretty stupid, kind of like the people who practice it".
Obviously, that's not what I said, liar.
Mike, don't be so modest, that's exactly what you said. You said ANY
sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!
Don't worry, I'll make sure you get all the credit.
You are an idiot, like ALL mountain bikers. Horseback riding is only
dangerous when MOUNTAIN BIKERS endanger equestrians. You are fooling
no one except yourself.
I don't own a bicycle, let alone a mountain type bike, Mike.

Anyhow, horseback riding is always dangerous and stupid like you
stated, you are sitting up high trying to control a massive beast and
a fall could be disastrous.

I don't think mountain bikes and bikers are on private equestrian
facilities so we now agree it's not the bikes that that endanger
equestrians, especially considering that there were no mountain bikes
around Christopher Reeve when he had his tragic equestrian accident.
The whole sport is stupid like you said but I don't think you should
have said Richard Reeve is stupid, Michael Vandeman.
Bob Berger
2012-03-03 21:35:05 UTC
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Len McGoogle says...
Post by Len McGoogle
Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Mike Vandeman
Wilderness and Environmental Medicine, 6,385-390 (1995)
ORIGINAL ARTICLE
Do conventional bicycle helmets provide
adequate protection in mountain biking?
http://www.giro.com/us_en/products/cycling-helmets/dirt.htmlhttp://ww...=
...
Post by Mike Vandeman
... etc.
Any sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!
Like the helmets equestrians wear? I agree.
How about the helmets rock and mountain climbers wear?

Or the helmets (used to be called "tin hats") worn by many folks who hike in the
old growth evergreen forests of the Pacific Northwest. (See the forestry term
"widowmaker")?

Or sun shading headgear worn by folks hiking in the Mojave Desert?

Or thermal and waterproof attire worn by those hiking in the severe winter
conditions of Yellowstone's back country?

Or life vests worn when canoing or kayaking in rough Pacific coastal waters?
Mike Vandeman
2012-03-04 00:30:28 UTC
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Post by Bob Berger
Len McGoogle says...
Post by Len McGoogle
Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Mike Vandeman
Wilderness and Environmental Medicine, 6,385-390 (1995)
ORIGINAL ARTICLE
Do conventional bicycle helmets provide
adequate protection in mountain biking?
http://www.giro.com/us_en/products/cycling-helmets/dirt.htmlhttp://ww...
...
Post by Mike Vandeman
... etc.
Any sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!
Like the helmets equestrians wear? I agree.
How about the helmets rock and mountain climbers wear?
Or the helmets (used to be called "tin hats") worn by many folks who hike in the
old growth evergreen forests of the Pacific Northwest. (See the forestry term
"widowmaker")?
BS. I hiked there many times and never saw anyone wearing anything
like that, liar.
Post by Bob Berger
Or sun shading headgear worn by folks hiking in the Mojave Desert?
Or thermal and waterproof attire worn by those hiking in the severe winter
conditions of Yellowstone's back country?
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Same. They shouldn't be doing it.
Bob Berger
2012-03-04 05:27:15 UTC
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Mike Vandeman says...
Post by Bob Berger
.com>,
Post by Bob Berger
Len McGoogle says...
Post by Len McGoogle
Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Mike Vandeman
Wilderness and Environmental Medicine, 6,385-390 (1995)
ORIGINAL ARTICLE
Do conventional bicycle helmets provide
adequate protection in mountain biking?
http://www.giro.com/us_en/products/cycling-helmets/dirt.htmlhttp://ww=
...
Post by Bob Berger
Post by Len McGoogle
...
Post by Mike Vandeman
... etc.
Any sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!
Like the helmets equestrians wear? I agree.
How about the helmets rock and mountain climbers wear?
Or the helmets (used to be called "tin hats") worn by many folks who hike=
in the
Post by Bob Berger
old growth evergreen forests of the Pacific Northwest. (See the forestry =
term
Post by Bob Berger
"widowmaker")?
BS. I hiked there many times and never saw anyone wearing anything
like that, liar.
No, not a liar, just a whole lot more time in the area than you.
Post by Bob Berger
Post by Bob Berger
Or sun shading headgear worn by folks hiking in the Mojave Desert?
Or thermal and waterproof attire worn by those hiking in the severe winte=
r
Post by Bob Berger
conditions of Yellowstone's back country?
Or life vests worn when canoing or kayaking in rough Pacific coastal wate=
rs?- Hide quoted text -
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- Show quoted text -
Same. They shouldn't be doing it.
Mike Vandeman
2012-03-04 06:53:50 UTC
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Mike Vandeman says...
Post by Bob Berger
.com>,
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Len McGoogle says...
Post by Len McGoogle
Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Mike Vandeman
Wilderness and Environmental Medicine, 6,385-390 (1995)
ORIGINAL ARTICLE
Do conventional bicycle helmets provide
adequate protection in mountain biking?
http://www.giro.com/us_en/products/cycling-helmets/dirt.htmlhttp://ww=
...
Post by Bob Berger
Post by Len McGoogle
...
Post by Mike Vandeman
... etc.
Any sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!
Like the helmets equestrians wear? I agree.
How about the helmets rock and mountain climbers wear?
Or the helmets (used to be called "tin hats") worn by many folks who hike=
in the
Post by Bob Berger
old growth evergreen forests of the Pacific Northwest. (See the forestry =
term
Post by Bob Berger
"widowmaker")?
BS. I hiked there many times and never saw anyone wearing anything
like that, liar.
No, not a liar, just a whole lot more time in the area than you.
You just lied AGAIN, because you haven't the foggiest idea how much
time I spent there. Mountain bikers think that their merely saying
something makes it true.

I still don't have an answer: Why can't mountain bikers EVER tell the
truth?
Mike Vandeman
2012-03-04 16:23:42 UTC
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Post by Bob Berger
Mike Vandeman says...
Post by Bob Berger
.com>,
Post by Bob Berger
Len McGoogle says...
Post by Len McGoogle
Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Mike Vandeman
Wilderness and Environmental Medicine, 6,385-390 (1995)
ORIGINAL ARTICLE
Do conventional bicycle helmets provide
adequate protection in mountain biking?
http://www.giro.com/us_en/products/cycling-helmets/dirt.htmlhttp://ww=
...
Post by Bob Berger
Post by Len McGoogle
...
Post by Mike Vandeman
... etc.
Any sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!
Like the helmets equestrians wear? I agree.
How about the helmets rock and mountain climbers wear?
Or the helmets (used to be called "tin hats") worn by many folks who hike=
in the
Post by Bob Berger
old growth evergreen forests of the Pacific Northwest. (See the forestry =
term
Post by Bob Berger
"widowmaker")?
BS. I hiked there many times and never saw anyone wearing anything
like that, liar.
No, not a liar, just a whole lot more time in the area than you.
You just lied AGAIN, because you haven't the foggiest idea how much
time I spent there. Mountain bikers think that their merely saying
something makes it true.
I still don't have an answer: Why can't mountain bikers EVER tell the
truth?
I guess no mountain bikers have the guts to answer that question, so
I'll answer it for them: If they ever told the truth about their
sport, no one would allow them to do it! DUH!
Bob Berger
2012-03-04 19:05:46 UTC
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Mike Vandeman says...
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.com>,
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Mike Vandeman says...
ups=3D
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Post by Bob Berger
.com>,
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Len McGoogle says...
wrot=3D
Post by Bob Berger
Post by Bob Berger
Post by Bob Berger
Post by Len McGoogle
Post by Mike Vandeman
Wilderness and Environmental Medicine, 6,385-390 (1995)
ORIGINAL ARTICLE
Do conventional bicycle helmets provide
adequate protection in mountain biking?
http://www.giro.com/us_en/products/cycling-helmets/dirt.htmlhttp:/=
/ww=3D
Post by Bob Berger
Post by Bob Berger
...
Post by Bob Berger
Post by Len McGoogle
...
... etc.
Any sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment =
is
Post by Bob Berger
Post by Bob Berger
Post by Bob Berger
Post by Len McGoogle
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!
Like the helmets equestrians wear? I agree.
How about the helmets rock and mountain climbers wear?
Or the helmets (used to be called "tin hats") worn by many folks who h=
ike=3D
Post by Bob Berger
Post by Bob Berger
in the
Post by Bob Berger
old growth evergreen forests of the Pacific Northwest. (See the forest=
ry =3D
Post by Bob Berger
Post by Bob Berger
term
Post by Bob Berger
"widowmaker")?
BS. I hiked there many times and never saw anyone wearing anything
like that, liar.
No, not a liar, just a whole lot more time in the area than you.
You just lied AGAIN, because you haven't the foggiest idea how much
time I spent there.
True; but since I live here, it's probable I've spent more time here than you.
By the way, what are your favorite hiking areas here?
Post by Bob Berger
Mountain bikers think that their merely saying something makes it true.
Non-sequitur.
Post by Bob Berger
I still don't have an answer: Why can't mountain bikers EVER tell the
truth?
I'm not a mountain biker. The only "mountain bikes" I own I use only in
Yellowstone's upper geyser basin along the (mostly paved) bike path between Old
Faithful and Morning Glory Pool.
Mike Vandeman
2012-03-05 02:28:58 UTC
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Mike Vandeman says...
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.com>,
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Mike Vandeman says...
ups=3D
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Post by Bob Berger
.com>,
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Len McGoogle says...
wrot=3D
Post by Bob Berger
Post by Bob Berger
Post by Bob Berger
Post by Len McGoogle
Post by Mike Vandeman
Wilderness and Environmental Medicine, 6,385-390 (1995)
ORIGINAL ARTICLE
Do conventional bicycle helmets provide
adequate protection in mountain biking?
http://www.giro.com/us_en/products/cycling-helmets/dirt.htmlhttp:/=
/ww=3D
Post by Bob Berger
Post by Bob Berger
...
Post by Bob Berger
Post by Len McGoogle
...
... etc.
Any sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment =
is
Post by Bob Berger
Post by Bob Berger
Post by Bob Berger
Post by Len McGoogle
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!
Like the helmets equestrians wear? I agree.
How about the helmets rock and mountain climbers wear?
Or the helmets (used to be called "tin hats") worn by many folks who h=
ike=3D
Post by Bob Berger
Post by Bob Berger
in the
Post by Bob Berger
old growth evergreen forests of the Pacific Northwest. (See the forest=
ry =3D
Post by Bob Berger
Post by Bob Berger
term
Post by Bob Berger
"widowmaker")?
BS. I hiked there many times and never saw anyone wearing anything
like that, liar.
No, not a liar, just a whole lot more time in the area than you.
You just lied AGAIN, because you haven't the foggiest idea how much
time I spent there.
True; but since I live here, it's probable I've spent more time here than you.
No it isn't. You have NO IDEA where I've been. Face it: you just LIED.
Post by Bob Berger
By the way, what are your favorite hiking areas here?
Post by Bob Berger
Mountain bikers think that their merely saying something makes it true.
Non-sequitur.
Post by Bob Berger
I still don't have an answer: Why can't mountain bikers EVER tell the
truth?
I'm not a mountain biker. The only "mountain bikes" I own I use only in
Yellowstone's upper geyser basin along the (mostly paved) bike path between Old
Faithful and Morning Glory Pool.
So you ARE a mountain biker, or at the very least a mountain biker
sympathizer. If you aren't a mountain biker, why to you ACT like one???
Shraga
2012-03-05 18:34:30 UTC
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Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Mike Vandeman
Wilderness and Environmental Medicine, 6,385-390 (1995)
ORIGINAL ARTICLE
Do conventional bicycle helmets provide
adequate protection in mountain biking?
http://www.giro.com/us_en/products/cycling-helmets/dirt.htmlhttp://ww......
... etc.
Any sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!
In other words, you think nearly all sports are stupid. So how do you
feel about seat belts? Do hand rails make staircases "extreme?"

Just when we think you can't look any more insane, you go and post a
gem like this one. You are truly your own worst enemy.
Mike Vandeman
2012-03-05 23:48:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Shraga
Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Mike Vandeman
Wilderness and Environmental Medicine, 6,385-390 (1995)
ORIGINAL ARTICLE
Do conventional bicycle helmets provide
adequate protection in mountain biking?
http://www.giro.com/us_en/products/cycling-helmets/dirt.htmlhttp://ww......
... etc.
Any sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!
In other words, you think nearly all sports are stupid. So how do you
feel about seat belts? Do hand rails make staircases "extreme?"
Thanks for demonstrating, once again, just how insane mountain bikers
are. You obviously don't care about your own welfare, or anyone
else's.

And, yes, seatbelts prove that driving a motor vehicle is insane. You
don't see too many hikers wearing seatbelts or helmets, do you? QED
Shraga
2012-03-06 17:27:27 UTC
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Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Shraga
Post by Mike Vandeman
Any sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!
In other words, you think nearly all sports are stupid. So how do you
feel about seat belts? Do hand rails make staircases "extreme?"
Thanks for demonstrating, once again, just how insane mountain bikers
are. You obviously don't care about your own welfare, or anyone
else's.
And, yes, seatbelts prove that driving a motor vehicle is insane. You
don't see too many hikers wearing seatbelts or helmets, do you? QED
I have demonstrated nothing but your dishonesty, liar.

So according to you, "seatbelts prove that driving a motor vehicle is
insane." But you obviously hide from the fact that seatbelts are also
used by passengers in motor vehicles and aircraft. Why did you
deliberately avoid those uses, liar? What are you hiding?

You wrote "special protective equipment." I continue to assert that
"nearly all" sports recommend special protective equipment, and I am
merely providing examples that demonstrate your insanity. You gave me
ONE bad example in response, so you clearly don't understand what
"QED" means. Maybe you should leave the Latin phrases to the adults.

By the way, can you remind me which country won the hiking world
championships last year?

You also sound like you don't have a lot of hiking experience.
Personally, I always carry a whistle, dry matches, a first aid kit and
a light rain shell to *protect* me from the elements.
Bob Berger
2012-03-06 18:48:58 UTC
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Shraga says...
Post by Shraga
Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Shraga
Post by Mike Vandeman
Any sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!
In other words, you think nearly all sports are stupid. So how do you
feel about seat belts? Do hand rails make staircases "extreme?"
Thanks for demonstrating, once again, just how insane mountain bikers
are. You obviously don't care about your own welfare, or anyone
else's.
And, yes, seatbelts prove that driving a motor vehicle is insane. You
don't see too many hikers wearing seatbelts or helmets, do you? QED
I have demonstrated nothing but your dishonesty, liar.
So according to you, "seatbelts prove that driving a motor vehicle is
insane." But you obviously hide from the fact that seatbelts are also
used by passengers in motor vehicles and aircraft. Why did you
deliberately avoid those uses, liar? What are you hiding?
You wrote "special protective equipment." I continue to assert that
"nearly all" sports recommend special protective equipment, and I am
merely providing examples that demonstrate your insanity. You gave me
ONE bad example in response, so you clearly don't understand what
"QED" means. Maybe you should leave the Latin phrases to the adults.
By the way, can you remind me which country won the hiking world
championships last year?
You also sound like you don't have a lot of hiking experience.
Personally, I always carry a whistle, dry matches, a first aid kit and
a light rain shell to *protect* me from the elements.
You need to understand. Mike is very serious about his position. Since hiking
boots and shoes are designed to protect the wearer, he hikes barefoot. And when
it dawned on him that the puropse of clothing is to protect the hiker from the
elements, he quit wearing those too.
Mike Vandeman
2012-03-13 00:36:50 UTC
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Post by Bob Berger
Shraga says...
Post by Shraga
Post by Mike Vandeman
Post by Shraga
Post by Mike Vandeman
Any sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!
In other words, you think nearly all sports are stupid. So how do you
feel about seat belts? Do hand rails make staircases "extreme?"
Thanks for demonstrating, once again, just how insane mountain bikers
are. You obviously don't care about your own welfare, or anyone
else's.
And, yes, seatbelts prove that driving a motor vehicle is insane. You
don't see too many hikers wearing seatbelts or helmets, do you? QED
I have demonstrated nothing but your dishonesty, liar.
So according to you, "seatbelts prove that driving a motor vehicle is
insane." But you obviously hide from the fact that seatbelts are also
used by passengers in motor vehicles and aircraft. Why did you
deliberately avoid those uses, liar? What are you hiding?
You wrote "special protective equipment." I continue to assert that
"nearly all" sports recommend special protective equipment, and I am
merely providing examples that demonstrate your insanity. You gave me
ONE bad example in response, so you clearly don't understand what
"QED" means. Maybe you should leave the Latin phrases to the adults.
By the way, can you remind me which country won the hiking world
championships last year?
You also sound like you don't have a lot of hiking experience.
Personally, I always carry a whistle, dry matches, a first aid kit and
a light rain shell to *protect* me from the elements.
You need to understand. Mike is very serious about his position. Since hiking
boots and shoes are designed to protect the wearer, he hikes barefoot. And when
it dawned on him that the puropse of clothing is to protect the hiker from the
elements, he quit wearing those too.- Hide quoted text -
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Why can't mountain bikers EVER tell the truth???
Bob Berger
2012-03-13 02:42:31 UTC
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Mike Vandeman says...
Post by Mike Vandeman
com>,
Post by Bob Berger
Shraga says...
Post by Shraga
Post by Mike Vandeman
Any sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment=
is
Post by Bob Berger
Post by Shraga
Post by Mike Vandeman
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!
In other words, you think nearly all sports are stupid. So how do yo=
u
Post by Bob Berger
Post by Shraga
Post by Mike Vandeman
feel about seat belts? Do hand rails make staircases "extreme?"
Thanks for demonstrating, once again, just how insane mountain bikers
are. You obviously don't care about your own welfare, or anyone
else's.
And, yes, seatbelts prove that driving a motor vehicle is insane. You
don't see too many hikers wearing seatbelts or helmets, do you? QED
I have demonstrated nothing but your dishonesty, liar.
So according to you, "seatbelts prove that driving a motor vehicle is
insane." But you obviously hide from the fact that seatbelts are also
used by passengers in motor vehicles and aircraft. Why did you
deliberately avoid those uses, liar? What are you hiding?
You wrote "special protective equipment." I continue to assert that
"nearly all" sports recommend special protective equipment, and I am
merely providing examples that demonstrate your insanity. You gave me
ONE bad example in response, so you clearly don't understand what
"QED" means. Maybe you should leave the Latin phrases to the adults.
By the way, can you remind me which country won the hiking world
championships last year?
You also sound like you don't have a lot of hiking experience.
Personally, I always carry a whistle, dry matches, a first aid kit and
a light rain shell to *protect* me from the elements.
You need to understand. Mike is very serious about his position. Since hi=
king
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boots and shoes are designed to protect the wearer, he hikes barefoot. An=
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it dawned on him that the puropse of clothing is to protect the hiker fro=
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Why can't mountain bikers EVER tell the truth???
Best you can do? Disappointing.
Mike Vandeman
2012-03-07 04:49:50 UTC
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Any sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!
In other words, you think nearly all sports are stupid. So how do you
feel about seat belts? Do hand rails make staircases "extreme?"
Thanks for demonstrating, once again, just how insane mountain bikers
are. You obviously don't care about your own welfare, or anyone
else's.
And, yes, seatbelts prove that driving a motor vehicle is insane. You
don't see too many hikers wearing seatbelts or helmets, do you? QED
I have demonstrated nothing but your dishonesty, liar.
So according to you, "seatbelts prove that driving a motor vehicle is
insane." But you obviously hide from the fact that seatbelts are also
used by passengers in motor vehicles and aircraft. Why did you
deliberately avoid those uses, liar? What are you hiding?
You wrote "special protective equipment." I continue to assert that
"nearly all" sports recommend special protective equipment, and I am
merely providing examples that demonstrate your insanity. You gave me
ONE bad example in response, so you clearly don't understand what
"QED" means. Maybe you should leave the Latin phrases to the adults.
By the way, can you remind me which country won the hiking world
championships last year?
You also sound like you don't have a lot of hiking experience.
Personally, I always carry a whistle, dry matches, a first aid kit and
a light rain shell to *protect* me from the elements.
That sounds like a non-sequitur. I've been hiking longer than you've
been alive (judging by your puerile behavior). I never carry any of
those.
Shraga
2012-03-07 16:52:13 UTC
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Post by Mike Vandeman
Any sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!
In other words, you think nearly all sports are stupid. So how do you
feel about seat belts? Do hand rails make staircases "extreme?"
Thanks for demonstrating, once again, just how insane mountain bikers
are. You obviously don't care about your own welfare, or anyone
else's.
And, yes, seatbelts prove that driving a motor vehicle is insane. You
don't see too many hikers wearing seatbelts or helmets, do you? QED
I have demonstrated nothing but your dishonesty, liar.
So according to you, "seatbelts prove that driving a motor vehicle is
insane." But you obviously hide from the fact that seatbelts are also
used by passengers in motor vehicles and aircraft. Why did you
deliberately avoid those uses, liar? What are you hiding?
You wrote "special protective equipment." I continue to assert that
"nearly all" sports recommend special protective equipment, and I am
merely providing examples that demonstrate your insanity. You gave me
ONE bad example in response, so you clearly don't understand what
"QED" means. Maybe you should leave the Latin phrases to the adults.
By the way, can you remind me which country won the hiking world
championships last year?
You also sound like you don't have a lot of hiking experience.
Personally, I always carry a whistle, dry matches, a first aid kit and
a light rain shell to *protect* me from the elements.
That sounds like a non-sequitur. I've been hiking longer than you've
been alive (judging by your puerile behavior). I never carry any of
those.
That's not surprising. It's clear from your posts that you're an
unusually slow learner.

And your refusal to respond to my post is noted. As usual you resort
to lying, because there is no honest way to present your point of
view.
Mike Vandeman
2012-03-13 00:35:32 UTC
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Post by Mike Vandeman
Any sport so extreme that it requires special protective equipment is
pretty stupid! Kind of like the people who practice it!
In other words, you think nearly all sports are stupid. So how do you
feel about seat belts? Do hand rails make staircases "extreme?"
Thanks for demonstrating, once again, just how insane mountain bikers
are. You obviously don't care about your own welfare, or anyone
else's.
And, yes, seatbelts prove that driving a motor vehicle is insane. You
don't see too many hikers wearing seatbelts or helmets, do you? QED
I have demonstrated nothing but your dishonesty, liar.
So according to you, "seatbelts prove that driving a motor vehicle is
insane." But you obviously hide from the fact that seatbelts are also
used by passengers in motor vehicles and aircraft. Why did you
deliberately avoid those uses, liar? What are you hiding?
You wrote "special protective equipment." I continue to assert that
"nearly all" sports recommend special protective equipment, and I am
merely providing examples that demonstrate your insanity. You gave me
ONE bad example in response, so you clearly don't understand what
"QED" means. Maybe you should leave the Latin phrases to the adults.
By the way, can you remind me which country won the hiking world
championships last year?
Who cares? Competition is silly.
Post by Shraga
You also sound like you don't have a lot of hiking experience.
Personally, I always carry a whistle, dry matches, a first aid kit and
a light rain shell to *protect* me from the elements.
Bully for you. It doesn't prove that you have any sense or honesty,
when it comes to evaluating mountain biking or horseback riding.
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